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Experts pore [sic] anxiously over Beijing English menus
China Daily ^ | 04/13/2007 | Xinhua

Posted on 04/13/2007 8:55:07 AM PDT by kevin_in_so_cal

English language experts say that, with the 2008 Olympics less than 500 days away, there is still a long way to go before standard English translations of the names of dishes and drinks sold in Beijing restaurants can be finalized.

Garbled and misleading English signs in tourist spots have long confused English speakers in Beijing. Problems range from obscure abbreviations, word-for-word translations of Chinese characters into English, improper omissions and misspellings.

But what confuses them even more are English menus in Beijing restaurants.

However, not everyone agrees with the need to standardize everything. "Weird and wonderful English on Beijing menus -- like "pee soup", "complicated cakes" and "grass with fishy smell" -- are part of the city's charm," said Theo Theodopolopodis, a Greek businessman who has been living in Beijing for two years. "If we sanitize everything, what happens to local flavor?"

Liu Yang, vice director of the Beijing foreign affairs office, told reporters Wednesday that his office has invited English language experts from the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore to join the English menu translation work team.

"They are finding the work challenging," said Liu, adding that Beijing has already publicized standard English signs for museums, scenic spots and subways.

Liu said that Beijing Speaks Foreign Languages Programme has been using the internet to identify the most accurate English names for Chinese dishes, and is working on a list of more than 1,000 dish and drink names.

Beijing claims to have 4.87 million residents who can speak English, accounting for 32 percent of the total population in the municipality.

Statistics indicate that around 2.85 million foreign tourists came to Beijing last year and the number is expected to top three million this year.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 1936summerolympics; beijing; china; genocideolympics
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To: bicyclerepair
Check out Chinglish group on Flickr for more.

A tremendously active group of Chinglish spotters.

21 posted on 04/13/2007 9:22:27 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Xenalyte
Now if I can just get people to understand that “reining in” has to do with horses and not with royalty . . .

Don't you think that people get confused about that mostly when pondering pics of current British royalty?

22 posted on 04/13/2007 9:22:55 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: bicyclerepair

Funny site. I used to date a “Konglish” speaker...


23 posted on 04/13/2007 9:25:34 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Xenalyte
there’s the multiple ways to misspell Giuliani . . .

"Republican" is the most common misspelling I see.

...But I digress.

I had an optics teacher who came here from China back in the '60s. 25 years later, his "in grease" could still use some improvement. Once I was sitting in his class and I heard him say the word "refraction". I had my head down taking notes and I could also hear him writing the word on the board. He said it again. I heard every letter in the word: R-E-F-R-A-C-T-I-O-N. I kept my head down and didn't look up until I heard him stop writing. I looked up and he had just written "reflection".

24 posted on 04/13/2007 9:32:15 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: kevin_in_so_cal

23+ posts and no one's done this one yet???

Tsk, tsk.

25 posted on 04/13/2007 9:33:35 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: kevin_in_so_cal
"his office has invited English language experts ... to join the English menu translation work team."

Someone could have a lot of fun with that assignment! Monty Python Hungarian Phrasebook redux!

26 posted on 04/13/2007 9:33:51 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: Lazamataz
"Thank God for the Ammendments (sic) in the Bill of Rights. "

Actually, the proper spelling is 'Amendments'.....with one "m".

Or....was that your point?

27 posted on 04/13/2007 9:35:42 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Actually, the proper spelling is 'Amendments'.....with one "m".

Know, that wass gnot mei poynt. I dydn't gno that Ammendmint was speled with one M. Thaynk yoo four that!

28 posted on 04/13/2007 9:37:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Can’t the liberals start their own countries somewhere, and then surrender?)
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To: Xenalyte

Reign, rein, rain.

No, you’re homophones!


29 posted on 04/13/2007 9:39:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: Frank Sheed

It are? Who do you think you all, the IRS?


30 posted on 04/13/2007 9:39:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: Ryan Spock; TheMom; TChris; Xenalyte; Semper Vigilantis; georgiadevildog; Chad Fairbanks; ...

Having a slow day?

Pour over to this “No, You’re Homophones!” verbal mayhem ping and ho in!


31 posted on 04/13/2007 9:41:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: kevin_in_so_cal
"But what confuses them even more are English menus in Beijing restaurants."

Based on years of experience in China -- folks shouldn't worry much about what the Chinese put in their menu.

Folks SHOULD worry about what the hell those folks are putting on their PLATES.

Even many of the Chinese have no idea of what is ACTUALLY on their plate and certainly no clue as to the cleanliness or risks involved from eating it.

Hong Kong, for the most part is excluded from this criticism.

In that part of the world -- I'm convinced the ONLY safe place to eat in just about any restaurant or street vending setup is Japan... And, that has been the case for decades.

Semper Fi

32 posted on 04/13/2007 9:41:44 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: kevin_in_so_cal

“grass with fishy smell”

Yum!


33 posted on 04/13/2007 9:43:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Lazamataz
revels

Hey...proudly posting without reading the whole thread since 2001...and all that rot.     =;^)

34 posted on 04/13/2007 9:43:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Zinger!


35 posted on 04/13/2007 9:45:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: Xenalyte
Now if I can just get people to understand that “reining in” has to do with horses and not with royalty . . .

I love you. I was JUST going to post that after Tax-chick pinged me.

Reign/Rein confusion makes me grit my teeth!

36 posted on 04/13/2007 9:45:16 AM PDT by Constitution Day (The reign in Speign falls meignly on the pleign)
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To: Xenalyte
It drives me crazy when people use the phrase, "based off" instead of "based on". You cannot base one thing off of another thing! However, you can base something on another thing.
37 posted on 04/13/2007 9:50:27 AM PDT by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: Lazamataz
The Second Amendment is what saves the USA from being placed under marshal* law .

*Or marshall law, if you prefer.

38 posted on 04/13/2007 9:53:26 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: kevin_in_so_cal
Think nothing of it.

What are Freepers for if not to nitpick one another about insignificant minutia?

39 posted on 04/13/2007 9:54:16 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: kevin_in_so_cal
Badly translated English ( see http://www.engrish.com ) is amusing. What's not so amusing is how improper English is just absorbed instead of corrected.

The two sources I decry the most are "adverspeak" and Japanglish.

Examples of Adverspeak

"Japanglish" is my word for the frequent mistake seen in Japanese English where a verb is used instead of an adjective.

One example is Game Boy Advance A verb has been used where an adjective belongs. "Advanced" would make more sense here. As it is, this name means you're telling the Game Boy to take a few steps forward.

When used as an adjective, "Advance" goes before the object. (i.e. An advance team scouted out the location.) Even then , the meaning of the word isn't quite what the Game Boy makers seemed to be shooting for. "Advance Game Boy" wouldn't mean that it's better, but that it was released before the other Game Boys were.

It's just one example, but I see more and more similarly misplaced verbs in Japanese product names. I wish they'd just use the adjective form where it belongs.

40 posted on 04/13/2007 9:56:12 AM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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