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Experts pore [sic] anxiously over Beijing English menus
China Daily ^ | 04/13/2007 | Xinhua

Posted on 04/13/2007 8:55:07 AM PDT by kevin_in_so_cal

English language experts say that, with the 2008 Olympics less than 500 days away, there is still a long way to go before standard English translations of the names of dishes and drinks sold in Beijing restaurants can be finalized.

Garbled and misleading English signs in tourist spots have long confused English speakers in Beijing. Problems range from obscure abbreviations, word-for-word translations of Chinese characters into English, improper omissions and misspellings.

But what confuses them even more are English menus in Beijing restaurants.

However, not everyone agrees with the need to standardize everything. "Weird and wonderful English on Beijing menus -- like "pee soup", "complicated cakes" and "grass with fishy smell" -- are part of the city's charm," said Theo Theodopolopodis, a Greek businessman who has been living in Beijing for two years. "If we sanitize everything, what happens to local flavor?"

Liu Yang, vice director of the Beijing foreign affairs office, told reporters Wednesday that his office has invited English language experts from the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore to join the English menu translation work team.

"They are finding the work challenging," said Liu, adding that Beijing has already publicized standard English signs for museums, scenic spots and subways.

Liu said that Beijing Speaks Foreign Languages Programme has been using the internet to identify the most accurate English names for Chinese dishes, and is working on a list of more than 1,000 dish and drink names.

Beijing claims to have 4.87 million residents who can speak English, accounting for 32 percent of the total population in the municipality.

Statistics indicate that around 2.85 million foreign tourists came to Beijing last year and the number is expected to top three million this year.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 1936summerolympics; beijing; china; genocideolympics
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To: SoothingDave

It’s about selling an idea or argument according to Webster.


121 posted on 04/13/2007 7:54:56 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Constitution Day

I once was cautioned not to use used to to replace once.


122 posted on 04/13/2007 7:57:25 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Verloona Ti

Their descendants taught them bad.


123 posted on 04/13/2007 7:59:44 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Silly

“ceremoney “

Every father of the bride knows that this is the correct spelling, emphasis on last syllable.


124 posted on 04/13/2007 8:02:44 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
I once was cautioned not to use used to to replace once.

Your cautionary tale illustrates why you are an Old Professer, and I am merely wet-behind-the-ears.

Always striving for grammatical excellence,
CD

125 posted on 04/13/2007 8:16:24 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Old Professer

Yes, thanks for point that out. I will forward the revision to OED.


126 posted on 04/13/2007 9:45:39 PM PDT by Silly (plasticpie.com)
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To: bicyclerepair
Even if they beat you - you win...


127 posted on 04/13/2007 10:03:46 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: NCSteve

After all this discussion, I’ll stick with not using “soft-pedal,” instead of not using “soft-peddle” :-=).


128 posted on 04/14/2007 4:21:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: Old Professer; Constitution Day
So much for the hard-sell (1,293,000); or should that be hard-sale (33,000)?

This suggests, CD, that by the time you're old enough to call yourself an "Old Professor," you'll have prostrate cancer.

129 posted on 04/14/2007 4:23:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: 6323cd
But don't forget, it's M&M's, with an apostrophe (trademark).

Even worse, Rhode's 19, the line of boats that is named after someone named Rhodes. When I saw that right on the side of the boat, I almost refused to get in.

130 posted on 04/14/2007 1:33:03 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Old Professer; NCSteve; AnAmericanMother
Can't agree with this one, Old Prof. "I once went there" is quite different from "I used to go there."

Great thing about Fowler, in addition to his puncturing the balloons of the pretentious, is that he always sticks to the language the way it is spoken or the way it is written by those with common sense.

Most copyeditors will shift the word "only" to its logical place in the sentence, but Fowler says sometimes it is earlier than its logical place as a kind of signal to what the rest of the sentence is going to say. Compare "I gave him only five dollars" with "I only gave him five dollars." The second is less logical but more colloquial and therefore easier to read.

131 posted on 04/14/2007 1:42:16 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Tax-chick

90% of the people you converse with in writing would never know the difference.


132 posted on 04/14/2007 5:12:33 PM PDT by NCSteve (What good is it if you're wearing your superman underwear and can't show it to anyone?)
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To: NCSteve

Maybe 99%, since you and I, fanatics on the subject, can’t be totally firm on the correct usage!


133 posted on 04/14/2007 6:51:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: Tax-chick

Or flat on my face.


134 posted on 04/14/2007 8:44:04 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Constitution Day

WBTE; the last place they wipe your slimy body after being thrust into this strange environment.


135 posted on 04/14/2007 8:46:20 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: firebrand

Don’t confuse, “Once, I went there” with “I once went there.”

And, especially, don’t confuse “habitually” with “used to.”


136 posted on 04/14/2007 8:50:27 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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