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Immigration debate sours for illegals
AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/12/07 | Julie Hirschfeld Davis - ap

Posted on 04/12/2007 9:42:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Mine's bigger. :-)


41 posted on 04/12/2007 10:36:11 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: NormsRevenge
said Tamar Jacoby, an immigration expert at the conservative Hudson Institute

That witch ought to burned at the stake.

42 posted on 04/12/2007 10:36:16 PM PDT by Pelham (deporting illegals- One Job no American president Will Do-)
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To: staytrue

The trick is in the implementation.

Overall, what you offer doesn’t sound unreasonable.

Unfortunately, so many folks are now here that shouldn’t have been, it may be undoable or seen as such by those who care more about votes than the jobs you mentioned getting done by what is perceived as “cheap labor”..


43 posted on 04/12/2007 10:36:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001)
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To: panzer_grey
There was also to be border enforcement, IIRC.
44 posted on 04/12/2007 10:37:04 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Phatboy
Well, there are the SANDINISTAS for starters:


45 posted on 04/12/2007 10:38:28 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Do you, your company or your country suffer from "AADD"?: "Asian Attention Deficit Disorder")
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To: LongElegantLegs
That is EXACTLY what the Republican National Committee strategy group(s) has suggested and has been meeting on.

This is only so much bullshit and political posturing, they think we are fools.

46 posted on 04/12/2007 10:40:00 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Do you, your company or your country suffer from "AADD"?: "Asian Attention Deficit Disorder")
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To: Laptop_Ron
So, we’re a nation of laws—unless letting people break it benefits the country?

It is an imperfect world and you have to break a few eggs and a few laws to get by.

We let quite a few Nazi rocket scientists do a lot of good work for us and I'm glad we did. I imagine our CIA has murdered more than few and that is probably a good thing.

Besides, were not most of the founding fathers considered to be criminals by England ?

47 posted on 04/12/2007 10:40:02 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: NormsRevenge

The implementation is what our politicians (both parties) keep getting backwards. If you don’t secure the border first, you aren’t fixing the problem.


48 posted on 04/12/2007 10:40:41 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron
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To: Laptop_Ron
My question in this matter is “Which law (or laws) do I get to break with impugnity—and get rewarded for it too! Do I get to pick and choose?

Yeah, let's have 12 million of us just not pay our taxes. Will Bush then come out and say "it's too hard to prosecute them all, we need Comprehensive Tax Reform."

Somehow I think he can figure out a way to prosecute the laws that he wants to. His attack dog Johnnie Sutton sure finds time and money to prosecute law enforcement officers who try to enforce the border.

49 posted on 04/12/2007 10:41:54 PM PDT by Pelham (deporting illegals- One Job no American president Will Do-)
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To: Laptop_Ron

It’s a tough nut to crack, no matter how hard ya nail it.


50 posted on 04/12/2007 10:45:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001)
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To: Just A Nobody

One of the big Wall Street firms puts the number of illegals closer to 30 million. Since they aren’t playing politics in their calculation it’s probably a much more accurate estimate.


51 posted on 04/12/2007 10:46:24 PM PDT by Pelham (deporting illegals- One Job no American president Will Do-)
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To: staytrue

12 - 20 million is an awful lot of eggs. And do we really want to send the message that “we don’t respect our laws” to millions of people in this country that are here illegally? Once we’ve surrendered our borders, we’ve surrendered our soverignty. Do we really want to become “Northern Mexico”? Yes, that’s an exaggeration, but by how much?

Besides, if you look at it rationally, who suffers the most from the open borders? Mexico. If they can shuffle their poor over to us, then there is no incentive to grow or straighten out what many see as an overly corrupt government system.


52 posted on 04/12/2007 10:46:29 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron
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To: Pelham

The fact is that we really can’t deport them all. However, if we enforce the laws responsibly, we can discourage others from coming over and probably get many that are already here to leave on their own.


53 posted on 04/12/2007 10:48:40 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron
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To: LongElegantLegs

Ya, but I’m in MT skiing 7/7 ‘till the end of the season. Gnurdiness only goes so far.


54 posted on 04/12/2007 10:49:05 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Paladin2

Skiing? Make that doing the Gravity Research and Friction Science that other Americans won’t.


55 posted on 04/12/2007 10:52:59 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: NormsRevenge

President Bush can’t say that he’s truly for the total GWOT to the best of abilities when he also continues to have porous U.S. land borders, full protections along both U.S. ocean coasts continues to be questionable, he doesn’t pardon those two border agents from jail, he doesn’t make English the official language of the U.S., and he refuses to create “full law enforcement only” legislation that truly deals with each and every illegal throughout the U.S. and U.S. territories to the best of abilities for now and for always. The U.S. needs to get rid of all of the incentives that cause all of the illegals to come into the U.S. in the first place!


56 posted on 04/12/2007 10:54:03 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Phatboy; AmericanInTokyo
Again with the red, black colors of hate. And what kind of sponsor would choose those colors?

One step at a time... first, they learned to use the American flag instead of the Mexico flag. Next, their signs will be red, white, and blue!

Oh, they are such good criminal invaders Americans!

58 posted on 04/12/2007 10:59:45 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: ConservativeMind

“To start to wake up now seems so disingenuous. He knew the truth before. What’s changed for him?”

November 2006 happened. It wasn’t the only issue to be sure, but it sure as hell didn’t help.


59 posted on 04/12/2007 11:04:47 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: Laptop_Ron

If you enforce the law many will return on their own. After we passed Prop 187 in California you could see this happen for awhile, until Judge Pfaelzer colluded with Gray Davis to void it (much to the relief of the open border wing of the GOP).

If you show that you have no intention of enforcing the law, as George Bush has demonstrated, they not only won’t return they will tell their friends and family back home to come join them, that there is nothing at all to fear about breaking American immigration law because no one enforces the law, ever.


60 posted on 04/12/2007 11:05:17 PM PDT by Pelham (deporting illegals- One Job no American president Will Do-)
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