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'Duped dads' fight back in paternity cases
The St. Louis Post Disgrace ^ | 04/10/2007 | Matt Franck

Posted on 04/10/2007 1:21:59 PM PDT by Quick or Dead

JEFFERSON CITY — David Salazar is what many would call a "duped dad."

Repeatedly, courts have ordered him to pay child support for a 5-year-old girl, even though no one — not a judge and not the child's mother — claims he's the father.

In the eyes of many, Salazar, of Buchanan County, is the victim of a law that traps men into the child support payments, even though they can prove they're not the dads.

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That kind of statement angers Sen. Chris Koster, who is sponsoring the Missouri bill.

Koster, R-Harrisonville, said he knew children would be harmed as men used DNA to break paternity. But he said the current law mocked justice by pretending that a man is a father even when the evidence proves otherwise.

His bill would allow men to bring forward DNA evidence at any time to prove they are not obligated to pay child support.

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Linda Elrod, director of the Children and Family Law Center at Washburn University, said she was saddened by cases where DNA evidence was used to challenge paternity. She said the cases not only cut off support payments but often ruptured a mature parental bond.

Others, such as Jacobs, want to set a two-year deadline for using genetic tests to challenge paternity. She said courts also needed the discretion to weigh the quality of a parental relationship and the best interest of a child.

But Koster said such arguments by law professors ignored the fundamental truth in many cases — that the man is not the father and should not be obligated to pretend he is.

"It would be just as arbitrary to hang the responsibility of supporting the child with those professors," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: atmdaddy; babydaddy; dna; itsforthechildren; missouri; paternity
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To: cherry

“I feel very sorry for those who look at their God given ability to father children as a burden to be contested rather than rejoiced over...”

and why exactly would these rejoicing fathers be contecting paternity via DNA testing ?


221 posted on 04/10/2007 3:54:05 PM PDT by stompk
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To: GourmetDan

More sarcasm from ignorance. FReepers are really disappointing me these days.


222 posted on 04/10/2007 3:54:41 PM PDT by Tx Angel
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To: Shellback Chuck

What is socialist about the post?


223 posted on 04/10/2007 3:54:52 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: stompk

crud.

make that
“and why exactly would these rejoicing fathers be contesting paternity via DNA testing ?”

sigh, I suppose that spell checker is there for a reason after all . . .


224 posted on 04/10/2007 3:55:19 PM PDT by stompk
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To: cherry
"certainly if you claim to be the father "

should read...."if you claim NOT to be the father"

225 posted on 04/10/2007 3:55:55 PM PDT by cherry
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To: OB1kNOb
What are the guy's best options under these circumstances to protect the baby's life and health while protecting his right to prove he is or is not the father? Anyone have any advice?

Wait till the child is born and then get the paternity test.

226 posted on 04/10/2007 3:56:09 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: cherry
IOWS...there's a lot of men who are fathers who could be hauled into court and forced to pay for years of child support....

I don't know about other states, but in California, they cannot grant retroactive child support prior to the date the claim is filed in court. So if the woman waits until the kids are grown to file - too bad, she's out of luck.

227 posted on 04/10/2007 3:59:08 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: stompk

Exactly - the Mom made the decision to jeopardize the child when she snuck around behind her husband’s back.


228 posted on 04/10/2007 3:59:39 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I won't settle)
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To: Diplomat
This article is about the fact that a mother cannot be held liable for fraud when identifying a father. You dismiss the fraud angle because you believe a woman who screws multiple men, but lists one on the birth certificate, is not committing fraud.

If she doesn't have the intent to defraud the man (for example, believes him to be the father, even if she is wrong) then it can't be fraud.

Let me ask you this, when a woman doesn’t know which potential father is the daddy, how often do they pick the person who is a drug dealer or unemployed, versus the person who has a steady job? hmmmm, I wonder.

That goes to intent.

This new law would create a legal/criminal definition of fraud for misidentifying the father. This would allow the mother to be held to account, instead of being financially rewarded for her deceit. This law would allow the father to seek compensation for his loss.

My guess would be that it would be fraud to intentionally misidentify the father.  Works for me.  Bu recklessly doing so, for example, or just being wrong, wouldn't necessarily be fraud.  So in that respect, I agree with you.

If someone stole $100, you and I would ignore the loss, would we not? What about if they stole $1,000? or $10,000? or $100,000? or $1,000,000? At what price would you stop “being a man” and desire compensation?

Money doesn't know me, nor love me.  The fact that you can't distinguish this dynamic from a parent-child relationship speaks volumes for you, and it's not flattering! :-) 

229 posted on 04/10/2007 4:00:12 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
Not a fallacy, really. I can;t make a person love their child, but we can make them part of their lives.

Making ehm send a check to the Child Support Enforcement office doesn't make them a part of the child's life.

230 posted on 04/10/2007 4:01:13 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: cherry

“I feel very sorry for those who look at their God given ability to father children as a burden to be contested rather than rejoiced over.”

Of course, I certainly see a distinction between a child that was raised by the non-biological father for some time.

In those situations, the mother should be automatically stripped of custody and the involuntarily-adoptive father have the righ to raise the child.

(The mother should, of course, pay child support. It’s only fair.)


231 posted on 04/10/2007 4:01:29 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: durasell

Ah, my days as a traveling salesman in the 1930s! Those devout, churchgoing housewives were certainly very hospitable! Thank goodness there was so much less funny business going on back then,huh?


232 posted on 04/10/2007 4:01:31 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: cherry
so, after 10 yrs of boy scout meetings, soccer, little league, go karts and throwing the football around in the backyard there is no relationship because the dna was not right?

Yep.

You, like HitmanLV, want to legislate your feelings onto others through the courts. You want to victimize men for the crimes and deceit of others.

It's about your feelings. Not justice, not truth. Because on those grounds, you and HitmanLV lose. And you think that misusing the courts is a sign of how moral and compassionate you are.

Hitman is FR's notorious Divorce Troll on threads like these. Have you joined up as a new Divorce Trollette?
233 posted on 04/10/2007 4:02:15 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: gogeo
I have a concern about some deciding for others what they "need" to know. I agree - so if they are compelled to 'need to know' if they are the father, get a paternity test themselves.
234 posted on 04/10/2007 4:02:37 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HamiltonJay
I can’t imagine walking out on a child, that you have raised as your own since birth, and severing that relationship completely because you learned its mother had decieved you. Anyone that could or would is no man in my book. ... That’s a coward and a child, not a man.

It is a mater for the man to decide, not the courts.

235 posted on 04/10/2007 4:02:54 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Little Ray
Yup. She’ll be a great mom, teaching her children ethics as she practices them.

This astonishes some Freepers, but someone may (legitimately) grow alienated from their (sucky) spouse, fall in love with someone else, indulge in intimacy with them, break up the marriage, and go on and live a very happy, productive, and good life with the other person. Happens all the time.

I agree that ideally they should leave their spouse before romancing someone else, but I know that reality is seldom ideal.

236 posted on 04/10/2007 4:04:38 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
What if the thinks her husband is the father, rather than her boyfriend? That might make her dishonest, but not totally dishonest.

She knows damn well he might not be. Do you say that a woman who fu**s someone not her husband and then later gets prenant is honest? Where the hell is your mind?

237 posted on 04/10/2007 4:04:58 PM PDT by calex59
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To: HitmanLV

People didn’t have sex back then. And if they did have sex by accident, then they certainly didn’t enjoy it!


238 posted on 04/10/2007 4:05:20 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: cherry
some women may find this a convenient way to rid themselves of custody battles with non-father fathers.....

At the cost of $1,000s in lost child support, not likely.

239 posted on 04/10/2007 4:05:23 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Mark was here

“It is a mater for the man to decide, not the courts.”

Now, now. Don’t you know the Courts know what is best for each of us? Disrespect of your betters!


240 posted on 04/10/2007 4:05:42 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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