Posted on 04/10/2007 1:21:59 PM PDT by Quick or Dead
But seriously, you spewed this same non-sense in a thread about 6 months ago. Have you not figured it out yet? Your philosophy would ensure that most men WILL NOT get close to "their" children because any act of benevolence could make them financially responsible, regardless of the biological facts.
How about this? Based on your thinking, a person convicted of raping a child, but later proven innocent thru DNA, should not be released because of the trauma it would cause the child. Remember now, it's for the children.
Giving you some credit, I don't think you believe a word you say. You're just f***ing with people who have suffered an injustice.
What if he fathers a child and then — through no fault of his own — falls into a space time thingamajig that lands him back in time to when the woman was a child? Does he still have to pay child support?
You can think all you want that the kid will be happy, but he'll blame them both for lying to him all those years.
This is just another case where men get the shaft.
How about if the courts awarded the non-daddy custody and Mama had to pay support? See how the feminists lobby likes that one.
Not that it could ever happen Fathers always get screwed in custody unless the mother is smoking crack on the witness stand while having sex with the man she ran off with, and the Judge happens to wake up long enough to see it.
You should probably consider being more precise with your comments. What you are appear to be advocating in general is a situation that has been long recognized by the courts as "marriage confers paternity". IOW, if you're married and your wife has a child by another man, tough sh!t Sherlock. In that sense, I don't think many would disagree with you - the marriage contract trumps biological paternity.
However, outside of marriage, it serves no societal interest to aid & abet any mothers' fraudulent behavior. The situation MeanWestTexan described is by no means an anonomoly.
It's amazing that in this day and age, with the amount of information available on the 'Net & Tom Leykis, et al, on the radio, that any male would be so stupid as to voluntarily sign-up for indentured servitude. In that sense, I'm with you: if you are that stupid, then you deserve everything you get...including looking at a noose to end your misery.
He should have fled the country in search of freedom. Even to Iran.
Sorry but you are if you believe someone who is not the father should take resonsibilty of a child. What an asshat.
“And how do you think this will affect the child when he is 15 and learns not only that his mom committed adultery, but that this man he’s been calling Dad isn’t really his father?”
which brings up another good point. if the “dad” is bitter, what is to prevent him from telling the child immediately?
court order? they can’t put that cat back in the bag. . .
once the child knows and has been “harmed” - is there any more point to making the “dad” stick around ?
Under the scenario you propose, the husband would not be under obligation to pay child uspport, unless he legally adopted the child. Bad example.
You’re trying to legislate morality. That can’t be done. You can make a man pay money, but you can’t make him be a father. (A father is not the same as a bio-dad).
A bio-dad should have to pay, but a male who has been deceived into thinking he was one should not. If he’s a real man and has established a paternal relationship with the child, he will continue doing so and will help provide for the child’s needs - maybe just by buying clothes, education and treats, depending on how much he trusts the mother and her living situation.
But you can’t enforce the paternal relationship through the courts - you can only make it less likely to continue.
A guy who has never had a real relationship with the child and is not the bio-dad can’t be forced to act like a father. It is sad if the child winds up with no real father, but one who is only doing the minimum the court requires is perhaps worse than none at all.
Thank you for the kind words and for the thoughtful scenario you suggested.
As you can understand, these situations are not as cut and dried as some folks on FR like to make it seem. ultimately, I find it silly that there is a pocket of conservative males (I won’t call them ‘men’) who talk all kick-ass, self sufficient, rugged individualism, and who disdain excuse making, but in the context of marriage and relationships, when confronted with a snag, mishap, or ‘situation,’ curl up in a figurative fetal position and complain about how things aren’t fair, and actually place their shallow sense of financial rights over the care of a child.
These males can’t discourage me. You ever notice on FR there is a pack of males who don’t trust women, are very protective (paranoid?) about the little money they have, and they wonder where all the good women have gone?
The good women are there - they just see this guys clearly - sissified, fearful wimps. They reject them, that’s all. I honestly don’t blame them!
Keep on truckin! ;-)
Happens to be true.
The courts require that the “father” pay child support, but they do not require that the mother use that money for the child; nor do the courts require an accounting from her.
The new generation of weak males makes it very difficult for a decent woman to find a good, strong, masculine man.
That being said, I am personally all for it, since it makes me look that much better in comparison to women I encounter. ;-)
so automatic custody goes to the mom if dad is not really dad?
so, after 10 yrs of boy scout meetings, soccer, little league, go karts and throwing the football around in the backyard there is no relationship because the dna was not right?
certainly if you claim to be the father and you choose not to support the kids than you can't demand visitation or any rights for that matter....that's where this is heading...
it seems the "mens" movement is of two minds....one that laments fathers not being able to stay home with the baby while mommmy works and for joint or even full custody of the children, and the other just wanting fatherhood to be strictly a scientific fact.....
My father is half of my dna but he meant more to me than simple biology.....
I feel very sorry for those who look at their God given ability to father children as a burden to be contested rather than rejoiced over...
You are not an adult male? Are you? If you are it can be arranged Mr. Hit-man :)
I didn’t want to embarass her, but I get that all the time from women. Finding attractive goodlooking women isn’t very difficult, despite what we read on FR now and then!
I have a galpal, though, and I am a one woman man! Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, though! ;-)
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