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'Duped dads' fight back in paternity cases
The St. Louis Post Disgrace ^ | 04/10/2007 | Matt Franck

Posted on 04/10/2007 1:21:59 PM PDT by Quick or Dead

JEFFERSON CITY — David Salazar is what many would call a "duped dad."

Repeatedly, courts have ordered him to pay child support for a 5-year-old girl, even though no one — not a judge and not the child's mother — claims he's the father.

In the eyes of many, Salazar, of Buchanan County, is the victim of a law that traps men into the child support payments, even though they can prove they're not the dads.

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That kind of statement angers Sen. Chris Koster, who is sponsoring the Missouri bill.

Koster, R-Harrisonville, said he knew children would be harmed as men used DNA to break paternity. But he said the current law mocked justice by pretending that a man is a father even when the evidence proves otherwise.

His bill would allow men to bring forward DNA evidence at any time to prove they are not obligated to pay child support.

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Linda Elrod, director of the Children and Family Law Center at Washburn University, said she was saddened by cases where DNA evidence was used to challenge paternity. She said the cases not only cut off support payments but often ruptured a mature parental bond.

Others, such as Jacobs, want to set a two-year deadline for using genetic tests to challenge paternity. She said courts also needed the discretion to weigh the quality of a parental relationship and the best interest of a child.

But Koster said such arguments by law professors ignored the fundamental truth in many cases — that the man is not the father and should not be obligated to pretend he is.

"It would be just as arbitrary to hang the responsibility of supporting the child with those professors," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: atmdaddy; babydaddy; dna; itsforthechildren; missouri; paternity
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To: HitmanLV
...At least you’re looking out for the kid, unlike many rugged individualist self sufficient ‘men’ around here.

What I see are men on this board simply stating that being forced to pay an arbitrary amount of money to the mother of a child that is not theirs and whose custody was probably taken from them is not in the best interests of the child or the "father".

There MUST be consequences for the mother for the deceit which at the very least must be forfeiture of custody and the obligation to pay child support and the obligation to find the real biological father who should also pay support to the man.

What I see you posting is that the adult be damned if it is in the "best interests" of the child not taking into account that the law, as it is set up today, practically punishes fathers - forcing them into economic ruin and when they can't pay, making them into felons.

What you see mostly on this board are men absolutely fed-up with being viewed both legally and in society as nothing more than walking ATM's and sperm donors.
161 posted on 04/10/2007 3:18:23 PM PDT by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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To: jbenedic2
So your basic philosophy on this is, “Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil”?

Sometimes, yes. Truth is an important value in the macro sense, but sometimes not the most important value in the micro sense. Two people can have a happy, wonderful, and long marriage with each other, and still not be completely honest with each other.

Indeed, maybe that's how they manage to stay happy that long. :-)

162 posted on 04/10/2007 3:18:46 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

You have the patience of a saint.

I do know what you are saying. It’s too bad there are so many narrow minded people here only reading snippets of your posts.

Here another scenario: A teenage girl gets pregnant. Her teenage boyfriend wants her to abort. She decides to continue w/ the pregnancy and forgoes paternity and child support — raising the child on her own, or perhaps the assistance of her family.

A few years later, she meets a mature man who wants to marry her. That man raises said illegitimate child for years. Marriage doesn’t work out. What then?

There was no “fraud” — no “deceit”. Woman was upfront w/ man about true paternity of the child, but that man finacially supported child, anyway. I believe courts phrase that as “implied paternity”.

You will make a wonderful husband and father. Don’t let these nimrods tell you otherwise.


163 posted on 04/10/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by Tx Angel
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To: HitmanLV
"She is unfit to be a good wife, but not necessarily unfit to be a good mother."

Spoken like a true lawyer.

164 posted on 04/10/2007 3:19:51 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: Quick or Dead

No matter what, the child is ALWAYS the victim. If people would save sex for marriage, and not treat marriage as a temporary thing, children would have a stable life. And there wouldn’t be so many fatherless kids around.


165 posted on 04/10/2007 3:19:59 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: HitmanLV

I’m afraid it’s not as unusual as it should be.


166 posted on 04/10/2007 3:21:44 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Wake me up when everyone is ready to self-identify as "earthling.")
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To: DLfromthedesert

I really don’t know what the law is now. This was 8 years ago.

But I do know that as recently as a couple of years ago, my wife filled out the certs for our twins and I didn’t sign anything. Did someone drop the ball? In that situation, it didn’t matter.


167 posted on 04/10/2007 3:22:24 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Tx Angel; HitmanLV
"You will make a wonderful husband and father. Don’t let these nimrods tell you otherwise."

Here's a girl just your style Hitman!

Better snatch her up!

168 posted on 04/10/2007 3:22:34 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: HitmanLV
Two people can have a happy, wonderful, and long marriage with each other, and still not be completely honest with each other.

No, that's how you end up being like the Clinton's.
169 posted on 04/10/2007 3:23:16 PM PDT by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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To: cpdiii
I sure am glad you are not running our court system. However, based on some decisions of the courts perhaps you are!

Look, sometimes there are situations where no course of action is perfect. You then have to choose the 'best' course, which sometimes gives some people the short end of the stick.

It sucks, but it happens.

170 posted on 04/10/2007 3:23:16 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: CA Conservative
The only thing that the law can do is force him to pay money. So the law does not protect the child emotionally at all - it just protects the lying mother financially...

...and, in fact, I'm not aware of any states that will enforce visitation rights as they enforce support. If the best interests of the child were the issue, they would enforce visitation also. That they do not, suggests it's about the money.

That support will be enforced in the case of a fraud such as this, but visitation won't be, may actually even be denied...suggests to me it's not about the bond, it's about the bucks.

171 posted on 04/10/2007 3:23:40 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: romanesq
"they found out 25% of the babies were not the children of the thought of spouse"

so just who are these upstanding men having sex with women who are married?.....

172 posted on 04/10/2007 3:23:44 PM PDT by cherry
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To: HitmanLV

Socialist Troll.


173 posted on 04/10/2007 3:23:54 PM PDT by Shellback Chuck
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To: LongElegantLegs
I think if you asked most people, they would want to know, and want to know as soon as possible

Yes, but in fact in most cases this never causes a problem over the course of a life.

And I do think that biodads should be responsible for financial support, too. I don't want to create the impression that I think they should get off scot free.

174 posted on 04/10/2007 3:24:53 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
"I completely agree that DNA tests should be mandatory before a birth certificate is completed."

Now that our women have been 'liberated', yes.

175 posted on 04/10/2007 3:25:00 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: Shellback Chuck

Stop with the “troll” comments. This person has the right to speak, no matter how illogicaly.


176 posted on 04/10/2007 3:25:11 PM PDT by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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To: Shellback Chuck

And he hates crippled kittens!


177 posted on 04/10/2007 3:26:01 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Reminds me of my day as a traveling salesman across the fruited plain, back in the 1930s!!! ;-)


178 posted on 04/10/2007 3:26:03 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Tx Angel

“A few years later, she meets a mature man who wants to marry her. That man raises said illegitimate child for years. Marriage doesn’t work out. What then?”

Nothing, unless the mature man legally adopted the child.

Without legal adoption, no child support owed to step-children.


179 posted on 04/10/2007 3:26:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: calex59
And, yes, you are a fool and a socialist to boot.

None of the above.

180 posted on 04/10/2007 3:26:56 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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