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China Apologist : U.S. Must Decline as China Returns to Former Greatness
US Business & Industry Council ^ | April 6, 2007 | William R. Hawkins

Posted on 04/09/2007 10:26:55 AM PDT by Paul Ross

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To: stm

Agree 100%.


21 posted on 04/09/2007 10:47:24 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: martin_fierro

People who live in Communist countries are a funny lot. They are quick to complain about the US but if you point out an error from their country, they are incredulous. They can’t fathom that anyone would dare to question their country. It is simply not allowed.

When religious groups knock on my door, I see the same treatment. I always start off by asking “What don’t you like about your church?”. Sometimes they leave skid marks.


22 posted on 04/09/2007 10:48:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Paul Ross
That the United States will remain on top shouldn't be taken for granted. It definitely isn't a given.

China has much more potential than the United States on account of its much larger population.

Back to the first point:

All nations, including the United States, serve at God's whim, and God decides which nation will be great and for how long.

Americans should still work to try to keep American dominance as long as they can. Enlarged United States of America.

23 posted on 04/09/2007 10:51:09 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I disagree with the statement that Asia has been dominant in the world except for a couple of hundred years. China was on par with the Roman Empire two thousand years ago. China has not been a central world power for half a millieum. Western Civilization has led the way since the Reformation. China is coming out of its Mao, self induced collectivist torture. China has adopted free enterprise as a means of economic expansion. Its leaders still maintain a parallel and increasingly worthless state sector. China has many more growing pains to work through. Hopefully, its people will demand some measure of political freedom to go with its economic policies.
Also, China has a huge problem within a generation of a huge imbalance in its male-female ratio. Also, its population will decline.
The anti-American statement in the post presumes an American imperium. There is no such imperium. Our country seeks only to confront those that threaten its existence: NAZISM, JAPANESE MILITARISM, COMMUNISM and ISLAMIC TERRORISM. We may be the only superpower now, and may not be the only superpower in 30 years, but we can only destroy our selves if we lack faith in our system.
24 posted on 04/09/2007 10:56:53 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Paul Ross
” China’s recent anti-satellite test”

Perhaps “mr fraser” could tell everyone which group has fought tooth and nail against America having anti-satellite capability

25 posted on 04/09/2007 10:57:26 AM PDT by sticker
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To: Brilliant

Rather christian, republican and Christian.


26 posted on 04/09/2007 10:58:30 AM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: stm; jveritas; Jeff Head
The Chinese will never surpass the US. They have neither the technology nor the ability to think outside the box like we can.

Actually, it appears with our continuing hemhorraging of industrial...and military...secrets to Red China, it is likely that it is our own people that refuse to think outside the box and recognize a serious threat.

Remember the Cox Commission and the loss of the W-88 design, the Neutron Bomb, and God only knows what else [perhaps even Excalibur]? The loss of the SuperMagnet industry (Magnequench)? The Loss of our Aegis Phased Array radar technology? The loss of a wide range of ship-queiting motor and electronics technology? The loss just recently of our operational technology or missile interception on the Aegis ships? The loss of our B-2 thermal stealth technology? The loss of the passive radar technique for stealth-plane-detection? The loss of the science behind detecting our submarines by satellites using Synthetic Aperature Radars. The loss of the Terfenol-D technology (superior sonars, and a wide variety of immensely valuable other uses). The loss of our GPS technology? And oh, the loss of our manufacturing, not just the technology of our "Night Vision" equipment [ITT fined $100 million]?

And the attempted "poaching" of the Metal-Storm inventor...and his family for a paltry $100 million.

These are just some things which have surfaced to the MSM. What do you want to bet that they are simply the Tip of the Iceberg?

They routinely "Flood the Zone" of our vital-advantage technologies with thousands upon thousands of their "technology students" ...and they waltz off with it Scot-Free.

27 posted on 04/09/2007 10:58:30 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross; Constitutionalist Conservative; Gator113; Zhang Fei; DanielLongo; Tamar1973; ...
Asia pinglist.
28 posted on 04/09/2007 10:58:46 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If America continues its moral slide into complete decadence, it will also be torn down or more likely, rot from within.


29 posted on 04/09/2007 11:05:08 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Paul Ross
So, Freeman is a little wacky--but Hawkins ain't so rational himself (though more so than Freeman--not typing much).

China poses a huge risk to this country.

Freeman takes the point of view that China isn't a threat because it will be generally peaceful.
Hawkins recognizes the threat, but primarily from a militaristic (rather than an economic and cultural along with militaristic view).

Freeman does point out that Asia is the "natural" leading continent, Europe only taking the fore in the last half millennium or so, and North America for a some measly sixty years (Rome probably gave Han China a run for its money, though--still some of the Roman Empire was in Asia, and that continent included some of Rome's wealthiest provinces).

30 posted on 04/09/2007 11:08:07 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: stm; cva66snipe
No self respecting US Submariner would ever set foot in a Rickshaw Rick or Ruskie submarine, they are just plain too dangerous.

Wether less-well-made or not...the seriousness of the threat is what has to be understood.

E.g., regarding "dangerousness" ...Not half as dangerous as being on the ships within the range of their torpedoes...as the U.S. carrier flagship of the Panda-Hugging Admiral who was suitably embarrassed....and demanded to know, in effect, "What's the Meaning of this, don't you know we're trying mighty hard to appease you Chi-Comms???"

31 posted on 04/09/2007 11:09:00 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross; Constitutionalist Conservative; Gator113; Zhang Fei; DanielLongo; Tamar1973; ...
Asia pinglist .
32 posted on 04/09/2007 11:10:48 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Paul Ross

There is a very obnoxious PRC bootlicking, anti Taiwanese, anti Japanese, and ostensibly, anti Western, forumite who goes by “freeman” over at the Asiawind “Our World” forum. Based on what this cat stated in the above article, I am inclined to think he’s the same Freeman.


33 posted on 04/09/2007 11:42:48 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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Those who wish America to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy can always find one worthy of our attention there. China has become a screen on which Americans can project both our reveries and our nightmares,” he says.

What do you mean our nightmares?

A search revealed that there were references to corruption, unemployment, revolution, pollution, or unrest. Which China is this guy writing about?

One more unemployed, one more ton of pollution, one more yuan pocketed by a corrupt Party cadre village leader and -- it could happen -- KA-BOOM!

We've lived through sagging dollars, recessions, inflation, stagnation, stagflation -- that's our "nightmare." The Chi-Coms' nightmare is KA-BOOM! All the things and more that brought Mao's revolution to power and ended the Nationalist government are there. Tick, tick, tick. . . .

34 posted on 04/09/2007 11:45:28 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Brilliant

Rome was not democratic, but it did achieve greatness and dominance. China will not achieve greatness if she cannot eliminate nepotism and corruption. Two weaknesses in her society that lead to the downfall of all her dynasties with the exception of Chin and Yuan and Communist Rule is a dynasty. China is not ready for democracy because 90 percent of her people are rural poor and only 10 percent are middle class or better and they live in the coastal cities. If China became democratic, she will go the way of Venezeula because the pent up resentment of the well to do by the majority rural poor will lead her to “mob” socialism. China’s expansion will be limited by energy and a large elderly population that will be a burden on the smaller younger population (due to elderly longevity and the one child policy). All the Asian Tigers (except Japan) had authoritarian governments that presided over economic expansion and modernization, and once a large middle class is established, the authoritarian government either relinquished to democracy or were driven out. Democracy without a large middle class will lead to Venezeuala mob rule.


35 posted on 04/09/2007 11:47:35 AM PDT by Fee
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Until Japan did it in the late 1800s, no Asian power has ever, in history, been able to exploit technology, commercialize and mass produce it, the way the West has done. We now see a few imitators of the Japanese success but that’s all they really are. This flaw has been the demise of the long term power of would be Asian hegemons. This is what makes the current era so troubling. Now, would be Asian hegemons seem to have, in a Germany or Stalinist Russia like manner, treated both military and non military technology. We face things never before experienced, the outcome of which is not likely to be good.


36 posted on 04/09/2007 11:51:24 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Fee
Rome was not democratic

Over the course of its 1000+ years it was just about everything one time or another.

37 posted on 04/09/2007 11:56:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: Paul Ross
Ancient empires do not as a rule return. They don’t entirely go away, but the conditions of their ascendancy would be near impossible to replicate.
38 posted on 04/09/2007 11:59:25 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: Brilliant

China can only sink into depravity as they murder their young and rid themselves of their females.


39 posted on 04/09/2007 12:01:52 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Paul Ross
“China had a couple of bad centuries, but it is back, ..."

Sounds like the Chicago Cubs...

40 posted on 04/09/2007 12:08:02 PM PDT by glorgau
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