Posted on 04/09/2007 10:25:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
Since I, and I assume you, have never been the subject at a water boarding party, your assumption that it does not cause pain is unsubstantiated. Come talk to me after a Jack Bauer gets done with you, until then, I lend little credence to your declaration.
As to the specifics of water boarding you can go to wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
What you’ll see there depends on what you want to see. There are plenty of caveats that cut both ways.
And you should actually take the trouble to read the entire page. Below that “plaintive plea on Mohr’s part” is an extensive listing of people who allege her dog mauled them.
You and Joe must be from the same part of the country, one where the back and the butt are the same thing.
these two belong in jail.........wearing a uniform does not excuse one from criminal activity....they are worse than common criminals, because they put on a uniform and willingly broke the law...and besides, I have not even commented on this thread, why are you bringing me into it? Are you stalking me? Perhaps you are just in love with me and are having a hard time admitting it.......
Don’t hurt your arm patting yourself on the butt - um, I mean, the back . . . I find you memorable because you can’t differentiate the back from the butt, which would make you less than helpful at watching my back or kicking someone’s butt for me.
Until today, you were the only person I know to suffer from this malady. Now you have company!
Let me guess.....you were engaged in a debate with another person on this subject, and they were out thinking you on a regular basis, and wasted your time with those pesky facts, so you siezed upon one item that does not make a hill of beans in this debate, and tried to use it as a hammer to try to make the person who outsmarted you look stupid. Sorry, does not work with intellegent people. See ya around
You assume too much, which somehow doesn’t surprise.
What I say is what I mean, which is that the only fact I know about you is that you are anatomically challenged.
And how did R&C know for certain OVD was an illegal when they shot to kill him?
You supporters that refer to OVD’s wound as “a shot in the butt” are a piece of work. First, both R&C testified they were aiming at his torso in an effort to kill him. Second, the bullet entered his left cheek, smashed his pelvis and severed his urethra before exiting and then lodging in his left thigh. He’ll be carrying a foley bag on his waist for the rest of his life because doctors cannot repair the urethra injury.
You refer to it as a “shot in the butt” as if it were some joke. LEO’s killing people are no joke and that injury caused lifelong damage.
All that strikes me as an excellent argument against smuggling drugs into our country.
But R&C didn’t shoot OVD because he was a drug dealer...they didn’t even know he was illegal at the time.
So, are you advocating the BP shoot drug smugglers?
>>And what bearing could someone have on a trial by saying things to congress after the trial has ended????<<
It would not affect the trial, but it could have affected Ramos’s treatment and safety in prison. As I understand it, Ramos is till in solitary confinement, is not allowed to read books, while the DHS liars have not been punished at all.
Lying to congress makes me think that there is something incredibly wrong at DHS, which you will recall, investigated R&C.
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Gee Bob, all the more reason not seek employment as a drug trafficker illegally smuggling drugs into foreign countries.
I have my own opinions about what happened and I think the biggest loser in this was Ramos. Compean got mad because the perp got away and shot 15 times...and missed, from a distance far shorter then Ramos (hello?).
Compean was never trying to hit OVD, but Ramos didn’t know that, saw and heard Compean shooting and erroneously believed there to be a firefight. He did what he was trained to do.
Ramos got screwed by Compean’s inability to control his anger. But they both screwed themselves with their unbelievable “black shiny object” story, their inconsistent and unpersuasive testimony, their attempts to cover it up and their defense attorneys horrible strategy.
So no, they don’t belong in prison but they also don’t deserve adulation and uncritical support of their actions.
Apparently you can’t win for losing with these guys. Either Ramos is let into general population and is therefore vulnerable to attacks by other inmates, or he is given protective housing in which he has no contact with the other inmates but is isolated. You can’t have it both ways. Should the warden have 3 or 4 guards follow him around all day and sleep with him at night so that he can be let out of protective housing???
>>Should the warden have 3 or 4 guards follow him around all day and sleep with him at night so that he can be let out of protective housing???<<
Ramos should not be in that particular prison in the first place. He is not a danger to anyone, so a minimum security prison would have been appropriate. But since they did put him there, they should transfer him or make some changes. What in the hell is wrong with letting him read books? Would it make you happy if he were killed?
No, but he is being treated just like any other person in prison, no better, no worse. Sounds like maybe you should get involved with a prison reform group if you disagree with the treatment that convicted felons receive.
>> Ramos got screwed by Compean’s inability to control his anger. But they both screwed themselves with their unbelievable “black shiny object” story, their inconsistent and unpersuasive testimony, their attempts to cover it up and their defense attorneys horrible strategy.
So no, they don’t belong in prison but they also don’t deserve adulation and uncritical support of their actions.
Ramos got screwed by Compean’s inability to control his anger. But they both screwed themselves with their unbelievable “black shiny object” story, their inconsistent and unpersuasive testimony, their attempts to cover it up and their defense attorneys horrible strategy.
So no, they don’t belong in prison but they also don’t deserve adulation and uncritical support of their actions.<<
Thanks Bob.
I think it is likely that Ramos, hearing those shots, thought what I would have thought: Compean was in a real firefight.
I also think it is unlikely that Compean was really trying to shoot OAD. Compean had a shotgun and would not have missed if he really wanted to hit him.
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