Posted on 04/09/2007 7:37:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
Anybody want to take a guess at the pollution-per-person-mile of those under-utilised bus and train systems ?
It can’t compare favorably to a Hummer.
Rather than expensive ($200,000 each) city buses that get poor mileage (5mpg in city) and require drivers, I’d like to see automated 2-passenger cabs. That would be a ‘mass-transit system’ I could support. I’ll bet it would be cheaper to operate and safer due to its door-to-door nature.
Don’t you just love the sweet smell of socialism and Marxism in the morning air????
Oh, come now, play along !
People weren’t supposed to catch onto that aspect until after the law was in place.
Now you’ve spoiled the surprise.
Exactly!
Imagine that. Liberals using something else to take money away from some people in order to give it to others.
Sometimes I really hate be in CA.”
Move.
Lincoln abolished slavery- you can go elsewhere!!!
Grim.
Gary Owen
The taxpayer already pays - the cost associated with the tax credit paid on each biofuel/ethanol vehicle sold. This is paid each year over the life of the vehicle. http://www.globalsubsidies.org/IMG/pdf/biofuels_subsidies_us.pdf
—If they are going to do this they need to open the door for diesels to be sold in California—
Which is *exactly* what is happening between now and 2008.
Virtually every car maker is rolling out 50-state-legal diesel cars and trucks.
Given the new (as of October 2006) diesel fuel which contains almost no sulfur, they are able to make Diesel engines quiet, not smelly, and use new filter technologies which are squeaky clean on emmisions.
(NOTE: With NO performance reductions)
http://world.honda.com/news/2006/c060925DieselEngine/
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/daimlerchrysler.html
Whats also really cool is that clean diesels block not just CO2, but they also block far more NOx (which forms Ozone) and N20 (a super potent green house gas from gasoline catalytic converters). And instead it converts it to inert N2.
Just on carbon emmisions alone, a turbo diesel engine is 33% better than the equivalent gasoline engine. Incluing the nitrogen reductions.
A Jetta Diesel is about comprable to a Prius.
Hell, the European Diesel version of the Scion xA gets 90mpg highway.
All the while Diesels offer some amazing torque increases over gasoline. (Roughly 20% increase)
Mix that in with a mild hybrid system, that uses an electric motor and a small battery instead of an alternator.
And you can have a hummer beating out most sedans in mileage.
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One again, have your cake and eat it too.
By the way,
Incase you actually read the law, it doesn’t neccisarily change the price of the car.
Since all the fees and rebates are given directly to the manufacturers.
The manufacturers are free to set the prices however they feel like.
So it’s more of a “car manufacturer competition” using dynamic market based mechanisms of both carrots and sticks.
Best part of it all, it doesn’t cost tax payers a thin dime to fund all this. Since the losing manufacturers pay the winners.
For mass transit to work, a city has to be sufficiently urbanized. That is not true in LA nor Atlanta. The trend in Atlanta has reversed and more and more and moving back into the city as even the suburbs are impossible to traverse. It takes me 45 min at times just to go from one side of Alpharetta to the other.
I don’t think that the Marta subway is all that bad. I do think that major mistakes were made in the building of lines though. I live off of windward in Alpharetta and would love for the rail line to come all the way up. I don’t have to commute to downtown for work, but I would like it for trips to the airport and to sporting events.
I want MARTA to work - not for global warming reasons but to make the city livable without 8 hours a day of gridlock.
sounds like justifiable regicide.
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