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1 posted on 04/08/2007 11:02:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

The thing of it is that if the government won’t secure the border, they can’t be trusted with any kind of “comprehensive” immigration reform. The very word “comprehensive” is a con job.

Secure the border. Cut off the flow of illegals. Once the influx has been reduced to a trickle, we’ll talk about what comes next. I don’t want to talk about immigration reform, though, with someone who is unwilling to control the borders.


2 posted on 04/08/2007 11:08:58 PM PDT by marron
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The problem is that if we do not secure the border, and cannot enforce the laws against all the illegals now...

do we think that just passing a law demanding them to go home and pay $3500 will magically be obeyed?

We won't have any more resources for enforcement after the bill, and the illegals will have far more incentive to cheat and lie about their identity to become citizens.

This whole thing is a lie, plain and simple.

I'd post more but I'd likely get a time-out.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

4 posted on 04/08/2007 11:36:43 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think everyone in D.C. must be wearing beer goggles.


7 posted on 04/09/2007 2:16:13 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Illegal immigrants hoping to become legal would have to return briefly to their countries, but they would have six years to do so. That "touch back" provision would include exemptions for children, non-working spouses taking care of those children and workers who could lose their jobs over an extended absence.

EXEMPTIONS!

8 posted on 04/09/2007 2:56:43 AM PDT by Razz Barry (,i)
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Here's part of a letter to my representatives. When the President gets serious about his brand of immigration reform, we are all in trouble. George Bush and his allies need to be handed their heads on this issue. They are no friends to America and its citizens when it comes to immigration

"The recent events regarding immigration and the proposals by Congress. the Senate and the President leave me confused and angry. Confused that so many would choose to go against the wishes of the majority of those that they represent, and angry that the results would jeopardize the future of my children and grandchildren.

Any bill that grants amnesty is unacceptable, no matter what it is called and that goes for employers as well. Security of the border is paramount. An end to social services and medical care, unless life-threatening, is a must.

End the anchor baby process. As I read the law regarding those born on American soil it says “Subject to the jurisdiction…” How can an illegal be under the jurisdiction if they broke the law getting here?

The idea that we would give illegals Social Security credit and allow access to the Earned Income Tax Credit borders on the criminal. Let’s take a system that is already in trouble and make it so it can never be fixed.

Some of these proposals are so flawed that I am stunned that anyone who claims to represent American citizens could present them, let alone put them to a vote, especially anyone who calls themselves a Republican. Any path to citizenship should be earned, not given. And anyone who has already broken the law crossing the border or overstaying their visa should should be disqualified.

These are the feelings of the majority of voters, especially those of the Republican party. Failure to act responsibly on this issue will result in more bad news at the polls."

12 posted on 04/09/2007 3:32:03 AM PDT by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bush’s fear of upsetting the in-laws has gone too far. Where is Ike when we really need him!
15 posted on 04/09/2007 5:57:17 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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Sickening..This seems to be the primary ‘domestic’ issue of real interest and concerted effort on the home front by GWB.


20 posted on 04/09/2007 6:59:31 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (Thank you Dear Lord.)
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Even McCain is backing away from his more-aggressive amnesty stance, having gotten an earful from voters in Iowa.

Bush seems determined to ride this to the bitter end.

21 posted on 04/09/2007 7:01:02 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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Just an amnesty bill with no enforcement.

Hope we can get the Republicans in congress to stop it.

Ted Kennedy & George Bush joining together to pass a bill against the wishes of 60 percent of the US public.


22 posted on 04/09/2007 7:20:21 AM PDT by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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He needs to see a good opthamologist.

The problem is large and looming and he is now 'focising!'

President Bush. Call you office. Your nation needed you!

30 posted on 04/09/2007 8:50:46 AM PDT by mborman (No Rudys, please!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I am so sick and tired of the “path to citizenship” thing. There already exists a path to citizenship. It is called applying in your home country for legal entry and following established rules for naturalization once here on a visa.

I am not sayin that this path is easy. I am not sayin this path is short.

I am Just sayin it should be neither.

Citizenship should be treasured and protected. It shouldn’t be easy to gain. It shouldn’t be a short path to follow. It shouldn’t be made easy in terms of language or knowledge requirements.

This debate is generally missing one important part. The value of citizenship itself. Too many take it for granted, that goes for people given it by birth and those who are naturalized.

The day citizenship is cheapened to the point that it is acceptable to attempt to steal it, and still be granted it, is the day this nation ceases to exist and it morphs into something else.

President Bush, this isn’t about legacy. This is about survival of our Nation and our way of life. How can you see that so clearly on the terrorism front and be so blind on he illegal immigration front? You said ‘war on many fronts’ and it shows clearly that you have missed one yourself.


31 posted on 04/09/2007 9:00:48 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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...where his hope for a legislative breakthrough is complicated by cold relations with Congress.

Good.

As W pushes for his Illegal Alien Amnesty Agenda that either lets them stay or puts his croneys at the head of the line, while giving short-shrift to the LAW requiring that the fence go up... W is in a Quandry of his own making.

He has to surrender the US victory in Iraq for a lame pull out...or take Pelosi "out." If dedicated to victory... He can't allow her treason to stand...and run the war too.

It is my guess he will stop far short of that though...because he will conclude he has to uphold Nancy Pelosi...rather than have her prosecuted for her Logan Act violations. No one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act. But it wouldn’t be unheard of. In the late-1980s the National Security Council considered using the Logan Act to muzzle Speaker of the House Jim Wright, who was at the time playing footsies with the Communist Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

Nancy Pelosi should be in the dock.

But won't be...because she has made a "deal" with W over his precious illegal Mexicans.

And now we are seeing what is really most important to W.

33 posted on 04/09/2007 9:45:25 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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“Comprehensive” ping.

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


35 posted on 04/09/2007 9:55:36 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas-beyond your expectations!)
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I’d much rather see Bush focus on the Logan Act.


36 posted on 04/09/2007 9:57:30 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: NormsRevenge; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...

Ping...


37 posted on 04/09/2007 11:46:29 AM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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Another tough law! Good! Just like the 1986 reform..

Wot?

You mean government, business, and workers will just ignore it?

38 posted on 04/09/2007 11:51:05 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Here we go again. Pander pander pander.

See recent studies on the cost of an alien family to local, state and federal tax payers.

Why would anyone want to import a massive illiterate and health care deprived population....in other words third world poverty???

Let us see who are the SLAVE TRADERS,SLAVE ENABLERS, SLAVE MASTERS and call them out for the evil and immoral behavior they wrought upon us tax paying and agrieved patriots.


39 posted on 04/09/2007 2:05:42 PM PDT by Sovernity (What are You doing other than talking and listening???)
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With up to 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., lawmakers haven't agreed on how to uphold the law without disrupting lives, eroding the workforce and risking political upheaval.

The two are mutually exclusive. Law or disruption? Enforcing the law will result in disruption for people who are here illegally and their employers.

40 posted on 04/09/2007 4:37:35 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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this and gun control are the issues that have made me question if there is even a point in bothering to vote, if Fred Thompson runs I probably will vote, but if the choice is gulliani or mcain I ain’t wasting my time


44 posted on 04/09/2007 5:38:19 PM PDT by antti tuuri
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Bush will be back in Yuma, Ariz., to inspect the construction of border fencing and to push for the creation of a guest worker program and a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants

NO.

NO NO NO NO D@MN IT NO The "border fencing" is not happening, quit lying to us.

We do not need a "guest voter program" which is what the d@mn amnesty really is.

Offering "a path to citizenship" to "illegal immigrants a-l-i-e-n-s is REWARDING CRIME."

Mr President you are LYING TO US.

Stop lying while you still have a shred of credibility, no one believes the lies of "comprehensive immigration reform", no one wants it except the criminal illegal aliens, deport the ILLEGAL ALIENS...

NOW.


45 posted on 04/10/2007 12:26:32 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, MMP AZ 2005, TxMMP El Paso Oct+April 2006 TxMMP Laredo - El Paso)
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