I hate abortion, but it's up to states - Rudy

NY Daily News ^ | April 6th 2007 | DAVID SALTONSTALL

[taxesareforever]

Clear the air? Nope, just muddied the waters even more. “Rudy, you are no Reagan. You also are no conservative”. Bye

[Jake The Goose]

Veronica - I appreciate your putting up the thread.

You can see how tough it is to engage in a conversation on something as personal and awful as abortion.

It brings out the worse, and the best in people - both at the same time.

Defending life is the best - the way it is defended is often THE WORSE.

Just the way it is. Don’t take any of it personally.

[veronica]

Drugs are illegal now. How do you enforce the current drug laws?

You can throw a drug dealer in jail. What do you propose for pregnant woman who want an abortion. Jail? Jail doctors who perform abortions? Put mics in the offices of all OBGYNs?

I am sure these questions vexed GWB and Reagan, both of whom were staunchly pro-life, yet did nada about abortion. I am pro-life, but have no idea how to solve the abortion problem. My conversion to the pro-life position was personal. It was the result of inner reflection, scientific evidence, and life experience. Nothing Reagan or Bush or any court did impacted me.

[Jake The Goose]

That’s very reasonable and very well said.

[hardworking]

OK, can someone explain how Rudy can “hate” abortions,

Yes, because that reflects my position exactly. I too ‘hate’ abortions but I also know several things:

1. To think that abortion is ever going to be completely outlawed in the USA is very naive. It isn’t going to happen.

2. Abortion is THE number one issue for libs. Like it or not, taking an anti-abortion stand will send fence-sitter voters running into Hitlery’s arms.

3. Until people stop getting pregnant with unwanted pregnancies there IS going to be abortion. This nation got people to stop smoking, now it’s time to get them to stop making unwanted babies but no one wants to talk about that.

4. R.G.’s position to ‘leave it up to the states’ is a very wise move. It forces the states to deal with it, state by state, which puts the issue and the debate back into territory that is much closer to the people. Having it remain a ‘Supreme Court’ issue is too far removed from people for them to have to really confront it.

5. We MUST stop the Clintoons and this position lets R.G. move forward in doing this.

6. If the Repubs take a ‘we will not bend’ position on the issue of abortion then the success of Hitlery is assured. Do we really want to live with ALL that this will portend, including stop-in-for-an-abortion-on-your-lunch-hour that THAT will cause?

[Leatherneck_MT]

“I hate abortion, but it’s up to states - Rudy

“I hate abortion, but it is a Constitutional right, and I would want to federally fund them. Partial birth abortions, too!””

Isn’t it amazing how he’s for something that you can find no reference to as a right in the Constitution, but on the second amendment he feels that it’s a right that can be controlled by legislation.

[mikeus_maximus]

You do not seek government funding for things you hate.

[spotbust1]

Can you say waffle?

[narses]

Rudy as POTUS would never appoint the kind of judge needed to do what he claims he wants - to return the issue to the states. In his words:

This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," July 20, 2005...

COLMES: Now, on abortion — now, you are pro-choice, right?

GIULIANI: Yes.

COLMES: You're a pro-choice Republican.

GIULIANI: I am.

~snip~

COLMES: Now, Roe vs. Wade -- You are pro-choice. How important is it to you as a pro-choice Republican to have a pro-choice on the court as someone...

GIULIANI: That is not the critical factor. And what's important to me is to have a very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer on the court. And he fits that category, in the same way Justice Ginsburg fit that category.

I mean, she was — she maybe came at it from a very different political background, very qualified lawyer, very smart person.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/04/giuliani.interview/

Giuliani told Bash that "a strict constructionist judge can come to either conclusion about Roe against Wade. They can look at it and say, 'Wrongly decided. ... We will overturn it.' They can look at it and say, 'It has been the law for this period of time, therefore we are going to respect the precedent.'

[Fawn]

There are? ALl the threads I see that talk about Rudy are about abortion.

[TommyDale]

Exactly! I don’t think he has ever really read the Constitution, and if he has, he has no comprehension of it.

[mikeus_maximus]

He's using Clintonesque parsing of language to try to appeal to the pro-life Republican Party (see the platform) while not revealing his true pro-abortion position. It is clearly deception and lies.

Which proves my point that the only significant difference between him and sHrILLARY is he wears a GOP button on his lapel.

And that's enough to make a significant portion of the GOP vote for him.

[HEY4QDEMS]

What do you propose for pregnant woman who want an abortion. Jail?

Of course not, unless she follows through.


Jail doctors who perform abortions?

duh...yes!


Put mics in the offices of all OBGYNs?

OBs commit their lives to bringing healthy babies into the world so the premise of that question is inherently flawed.

[mjolnir]

Isn't that like saying “I’m opposed to murder but if others choose it who am I to try to stop it

I agree, Borges. Rudy is applying the "Popular Sovereignty" cop-out long ago perfected by Stephen A. Douglas. Rudy's arguments about respecting the right of "the people" to choose abortion perfectly parallel Douglas's arguments about respecting the right of "the people" to choose abortion... What is ignored in both arguments is the right of the victim in each instance--- the slave and the unborn baby.

I wish someone would ask Rudy, WHY is abortion a "bad thing"? If he says, becuase his church teaches that it is, I'd like someone to ask him WHY his church teaches this.

I actually tend to doubt Rudy when says he thinks abortion so very, very bad.

In fact Rudy in this case reminds me of your typical disingenuous leftie yapping about how bad Saddam Hussein was. Both claim they hate the thing they know they're supposed to hate "more than anyone", but rarely admit any substantive reasons for doing so, since acknowledging said reasons would have the consequence of making their respective soft positions on them look ridiculous or cold-hearted.

[hardworking]

I am pro-life, but have no idea how to solve the abortion problem.

I do:
1. Launch a HUGE federally funded campaign that is as professionally driven as the effort to reduce smoking in this country. Make getting pregnant out of wedlock as ‘socially unacceptable’ as smoking at the dinner table in a restaurant.
2. Start tacking the root of the problem, not the symptom and the ROOT of the problem is MALES, not females. If MALES weren’t out there acting like roosters in a hen house there would be far fewer pregnancies that become candidates for abortion
3. As part of the nationwide campaign to make unwanted pregnancies (notice the emphasis is not on abortion, but on PREGNANCY) repeately expose the ECONOMICS of abortion, over and over and over until every TV view can recite them and by ‘economics’ I mean the dollars that Planned Parenthood and other orgs earn from wholesale abortion; if there is one thing that libs don’t like it is funding big organizations. P.P. needs to be exposed for the dollar machine that it is

This is just a start. Any Madison Avenue ad company worth its salt can engineer a massive ten-year campaign that could change the face of this issue at the grass roots level.

Shrieking about abortion as ‘immoral’ (which it is, in my opinion) is a loosing battle. Applying smart ‘management’ skills to the problem is a potential winner.

[trisham]

There are many threads on this site regarding Giuliani’s history. They address issues such as the second amendment, same-sex marriage, his support of illegal aliens, abortion, and more.

[Republican Wildcat]

If it is up to the states, and he hates it, then why does he support taxpayer funding to have more abortions occur?

[hellbender]

WE ARE AT WAR WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT US ALL DEAD.

So I guess we should back Rudy because he only wants some of us dead (those who are unborn and can't vote)./sarc

And this "single issue" garbage should be buried once and for all. The only single-issue people are those who claim Rudy is "tough on terror," because he "talked tough" in NYC and used his prominence in the MSM after 9/11 to hype himself. The man is a complete and dangerous phony, a ruthless arrogant egomaniac, not worthy of any consideration by conservatives at all.

[007girl]

“I’m so sick and tired of this one issue being played like it’s the only issue!! WE ARE AT WAR WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT US ALL DEAD.”

I agree, we are at war with folks that will kill us. On the other hand, abortion and pedophilia are killing children in America and it must be addressed. It’s definitely one of my top five issues for the upcoming election....the war on terror being #1!

[hosepipe]

[ I hate abortion, but it's up to states - Rudy ]

No he don't.. he wants the feds to finance abortion..