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Is the Use of DDT Moral?
04/05/2007 | Matthew Brazil

Posted on 04/05/2007 8:14:59 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Ultra Sonic 007

It seems that the millwheels of reason, as has been said of the millwheels of justice, grind exceeding slow.


21 posted on 04/05/2007 9:20:29 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"A majority of these cases occurred in Africa."

And most of Africa still uses DDT. Hell, in India, the mosquitoes are mostly resistant to the stuff because of it's continued use.

So in short, your whole essay, while well written is utter science fiction.
22 posted on 04/05/2007 9:21:44 PM PDT by ndt
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
After all, there won’t be much of a point worrying about the environment if the humans are all dead from a disease that could have easily been averted.

On the contrary, that sounds like a dream result for some environmentalists. ;)

23 posted on 04/05/2007 9:23:10 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

It’s just a shame that when a scientist jumps on the envirowacko bandwagon, they aren’t expected to provide solutions to the plethora of probelms we end up with by taking thier advice.

If the WHO had to find a solution to malaria prevention, prior to banning DDT, millions would be alive today.

I think it’s the same with Global Warming. Don’t tell me it’s happening, and we’re all going to die, without giving an economically viable solution. And, it’s not a viable solution to allow China and India to proceed unhindered while throwing our own citizens into the sacrificial pit.


24 posted on 04/05/2007 9:44:31 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Yes, yes and yes and great article.


25 posted on 04/05/2007 9:57:14 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Is The Use DDT Moral? ——How about? Is It Moral to Allow Millions To Die When You Can Save Them With DDT? (What was your grade?)


26 posted on 04/05/2007 10:04:22 PM PDT by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless Nancy Pelosi gives you permission))
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

My brother was a cotton duster in the Mississippi Delta for many years prior to the banning of DDT. After each season the pilots were offered a health examination in the hospital by the government to assess the affects of DDT on them. After days, weeks, months of breathing heavy doses of DDT, it never showed up in his blood stream. He is 70 years old without any side effects of DDT.

His studies were done in Jackson, Mississippi. Surely, there is information about these studies somewhere.


27 posted on 04/05/2007 10:15:34 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: ndt

“And most of Africa still uses DDT. Hell, in India, the mosquitoes are mostly resistant to the stuff because of it’s continued use.”

Source, please. This chemical has been BANNED EVERYWHERE. If you think otherwise, provide a link to a credible source.


28 posted on 04/05/2007 10:26:55 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc
"This chemical has been BANNED EVERYWHERE"

Really? Tell that to South Africa
30 posted on 04/05/2007 10:54:15 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

(something written for a different audience but appropriate here also)
...a little background is in order of facts that I don’t think are in dispute. (I learned a lot in going to Africa 3 times, the Amazon Basin twice and SE Asia and New Guinea once and heavily investigated prophylactic medications.) Of the five common flavors of malaria, as determined by the prevalent species of mosquitoes, by far the most fatal is in sub-Saharan Africa and to a lesser degree SE Asia. By the early 1970s most of the fatal form had been mostly eradicated in southern Africa and reduced in central Africa DDT was great because it was cheap, was the most long lasting in killing the mosquitoes in the tropics while, unfortunately, its effect on brown pelicans and raptors was apparently deleterious in the temperate climes. . Since the US stopped funding DDT spraying programs in the early 1970s either directly or through the UN thereby effectively eliminating use of DDT, upwards of 80 million EXTRA people in Africa have died at a rate of 1-2 million per year (while reading this email maybe 50 kids will have died if it took you ~10 minutes). Botswana, and South Africa, inter alia, slowly resumed used of DDT beginning in the mid 90s to abate the killer disease vectors. Partially due to the great progress seen in southern Africa recently the US has also relented and will now permit spraying of a cocktail with DDT as a key ingredient.

I think the problem was partially bad science and also partially fervent environmentalism. After all, the ALJ in the EPA proceeding found in his draft decision against banning DDT based upon the science known at the time and it was EPA Administrator.William Ruckelshaus, (one of the EDF founders, first EPA head and appointed by Nixon) that overruled him. The rest as they say is history.......

I can’t believe that 4 decades ago people particularly including the environmentalists foresaw the ugly consequences that have occurred

Much like the Spanish influenza, DDT banning originated in the US and spread around the world in a vigorously adoptive manner. We should be concerned that our CO2 abatement enthusiasm doesn’t project itself into undesirable consequences in other areas of the world.


31 posted on 04/05/2007 11:17:23 PM PDT by SERUM10
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To: TheBattman
“Enviro-Nazi Thugs” who, maybe not consciously, practice mass eugenics by denying Africans the chemicals that can save their lives. Here’s earlier post on this issue:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709608/posts?page=26

32 posted on 04/05/2007 11:34:31 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Here are some links which you should find of value.

Green Hands Dipped In Blood: The DDT Genocide
By John Jalsevac The Worst Crime of the 20th Century
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/aug/050816a.html

Is the DDT ban intended to control global population?
Written By: Paul K. Driessen
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=1143

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Rachel Carson’s Ecological Genocide
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9169

Your essay is very good.


33 posted on 04/06/2007 12:11:09 AM PDT by lastchance
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To: Rocketwolf68

Your point is well taken, but people are really the greatest resource, assuming that their leaders instill in them logic, hard work, clear thinking and the concept of delayed gratification....


34 posted on 04/06/2007 12:28:29 AM PDT by ashtanga
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To: Lawdoc
Its immoral to ban DDT imo.

We don't really need DDT in the indutialized world. In the developing world banning of DDT has been and continues to be a death sentence for millions. So a qualified bump to you.

35 posted on 04/06/2007 12:43:29 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I don't care what side of the debate you are on: Weather is not Climate)
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To: Tarheel
...in certain types of malaria, the patient never truly gets rid of the disease. The malarial symptoms will reoccur periodically.

My Boy Scout troop leader in the '70s was a Marine on Guadalcanal. 30 years later he still had occasional malarial fevers.

36 posted on 04/06/2007 12:51:52 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: ndt

Perhaps so, but, as we well know (some of us who pay attention), South Africa (and Rhodesia) was an international pariah for many years and went virtually its own way in everything. However, the REST of Africa and many other parts of the world where the malaria-carrying mosquito lives has NOT been able to use DDT due to the banning and the refusal of the countries that could have MADE it to sell DDT to the countries most in need of it. This has been documented well over the decades, sadly, and has led to the needless deaths of scores of millions, which can be laid directly at the door of the enviro-nazis. Just as man-made global warming can ALSO be laid at the door of power-hungry politicians and their “green” supporters.


37 posted on 04/06/2007 1:00:07 AM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
If it came down to choosing whether to let millions of humans live or to let certain species of aquatic animals live, I would choose the humans every single time. To suggest that a bird or a fish is somehow morally equivalent to a human being is outrageous.

I do not share this point of view. The survival of a certain species can be much more important than the survival of a few humans. There are for sure enough humans on this planet (diseases like malaria or HIV can even be understood as a natural correction of overpopulation) but we will miss the uniqueness of many animals and plants in the near future. It is for sure a tragedy if some people have to die, but if we do a rational appreciation of values it is better they perish instead the last individuals of a species that is threatened with extinction will vansih.

Everything on this planet is a compromise and human mankind has to find one in this question too. The reintroduction of DDT is for sure no solution.

38 posted on 04/06/2007 1:12:01 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varietate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Uniqueness?

Rational appreciation of values?

Your post is...stunning. I just don’t know what fills the space between your ears.


39 posted on 04/06/2007 1:20:09 AM PDT by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: ashtanga

Your point as well-—

“If their leaders instill in them:”

LOGIC - Ooopss missed that one

Hard Work - yep, that’s what our welfare program is all about

Clear Thinking - What thinking? Let the Gubmint think for you, and tell you when and what it wants you to think...

Delayed Gratification - Hahahaha..... yeah...

Sounds like we are running on a course 100% opposite to the one you advocate... But I think that is what your point was.


40 posted on 04/06/2007 5:03:47 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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