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Teen discharged after facing down recruiters
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Posted on 04/05/2007 4:13:53 PM PDT by nckerr

The Associated Press Posted : Tuesday Apr 3, 2007 12:46:52 EDT

SOUTH ST. PAUL, Minn. — A high school senior who faced down military recruiters on his front lawn and refused to go to basic training after earlier signing up for the Minnesota Army National Guard has now been discharged.

“You are discharged from the Army National Guard and as a reserve of the Army,'' said a memo from Minnesota's Office of Adjutant General sent to the lawyer representing Leo Valle, an 18-year-old student at Simley High School in Inver Grove Heights.

It was welcome news for Valle, who claims that months earlier a National Guard sergeant threatened him with arrest and military prison if he didn't go to basic training.

Valle was 17 years old when he enlisted, which requires the consent of parents. His attorney, Allen Gibas, argued that Valle's parents, who are legal immigrants from El Salvador, didn't speak or read English and didn't understand what they were signing.

Gibas said Valle's parents decided to withdraw their consent because their son was not “suitable for the Army.'' Gibas said Valle signed up after a recruitment pitch that promised a chance to serve the community and earn lucrative education benefits but didn't mention weapons training.

Gibas said Valle was not sophisticated enough to understand that signing up for the military would likely mean training in guns.

Valle said recruiters told him he wouldn't likely have to go to Iraq until 2009 but said he learned after enlisting that he could have been sent there immediately after basic training.

“I would tell other youth my age not to join,'' Valle said. “They'll phone you saying one thing, and the next thing you know, you'll be going to Iraq.''

Sam Diener, a founder of the GI Rights Hotline, an information source for soldiers and enlistees, said the decision to discharge Valle wasn't that unusual. He said a 2005 study by the Rand Corp. found that 14 percent of the people who signed up for the Army's delayed enlistment program in 2001 dropped out of the Army before becoming soldiers.

But Lt. Col. Kevin Olson, spokesman for the state National Guard, said he wasn't aware of any other Minnesota Army National Guard soldiers who expressed a desire to change their mind on enlistment.

Olson said Guard members told Valle he would be breaking a contractual obligation if he didn't ship out, but denied that he was threatened with civil police action or jail time.

“We certainly wish him well,'' Olson said. “If it is not in the National Guard, we hope he chooses a way to serve his community, state and nation.''


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They should deport the entire family back to their country where people want to serve. I am a recruiter and it just seems to be harder and harder because of the anti American sentiment within our own country.

God Bless Our Soldiers who Have Volunteered!

1 posted on 04/05/2007 4:13:53 PM PDT by nckerr
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OMG, the out rage, you mean you get discharged for not training!!! OMG!!
STFU!

I really hate the news sometimes.

2 posted on 04/05/2007 4:17:03 PM PDT by chaos_5
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"Valle was not sophisticated enough to understand that signing up for the military would likely mean training in guns"

I wonder what he thought it meant.

3 posted on 04/05/2007 4:17:24 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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Valle was not sophisticated enough to understand that signing up for the military would likely mean training in guns

He was 17 and didn't know this? What military, any where, doesn't train to use guns?
4 posted on 04/05/2007 4:18:13 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: nckerr

You too should read about the “Maryland 400” who saved the Revolution. At the time they did that most of the people in the country didn’t even want a Revolution.


5 posted on 04/05/2007 4:18:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nckerr

US Army recruiters have told my son that he would NEVER have to go to Iraq, and that he could serve his entire term working in an office and never carrying a weapon. They do a disservice by not telling the truth, I think.


6 posted on 04/05/2007 4:18:45 PM PDT by Kathy in Calif
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Gibas said Valle signed up after a recruitment pitch that promised a chance to serve the community and earn lucrative education benefits but didn't mention weapons training.

Well, duuuh, why do they call it THE ARMY?

7 posted on 04/05/2007 4:19:22 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: the anti-liberal

Maybe he thought he was signing up for the Elite Puppy and Kitten Petting Task Force?


8 posted on 04/05/2007 4:19:31 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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I wonder what he thought it meant.

The condos promised to Private Benjamin come to mind...

9 posted on 04/05/2007 4:19:34 PM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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They are legally here, are you saying we should also deport the 14% of soldiers who chicken out at the last minute too? Sorry but as cowardly as he is they at least did it before becoming a danger to his unit because of his chicken-ness.


10 posted on 04/05/2007 4:20:59 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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This story stinks to high Heaven. How in the world did this kid ever pass his ASVAB?


11 posted on 04/05/2007 4:21:34 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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14% of enlistees they aren’t soldiers until they complete training.


12 posted on 04/05/2007 4:21:45 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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Sometimes to be an American, you have to sacrifice for the good of others. My two sons served in Iraq, one is there now. They went willingly, they didn’t whine to the press.

Deport ‘em.


13 posted on 04/05/2007 4:23:13 PM PDT by rbosque
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To: Kathy in Calif

Well depending on his MOS it may be true. A friend of mine who joined in 2002 still hasnt even smelled the tarmac to go to Iraq, as have quite a few others.


14 posted on 04/05/2007 4:23:14 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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Unbelieva...

In this day and age, very believable!

15 posted on 04/05/2007 4:24:58 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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Dear Sir:

Please don’t be discouraged by this one case. El Salvador isn’t exactly known as the Land of Backbones! Here is what the lawyer has to say:

>>Gibas said Valle was not sophisticated enough to understand that signing up for the military would likely mean training in guns.<< *snort*

You don’t need that kind of BS. This is not a kid I want to cover my USMC son’s back. He doesn’t need “sophisticated”, he needs strong and brave. As I am sure you know...Semper Fi and God bless you!

16 posted on 04/05/2007 4:26:40 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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"an 18-year-old student at Simley Slimly High School"
17 posted on 04/05/2007 4:27:48 PM PDT by steveo (Is there anything else I can help you with today?)
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Gibas said Valle was not sophisticated enough to understand that signing up for the military would likely mean training in guns.

What the hell did he think the military did? Throw rocks at the enemy? Kid and his parents have to be brain dead.

18 posted on 04/05/2007 4:29:48 PM PDT by calex59
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“Gibas said Valle was not sophisticated enough to understand that signing up for the military would likely mean training in guns.”

Just as well he not be in if he is so dense.


19 posted on 04/05/2007 4:30:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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Yeah - when I joined the Navy nobody said anything about going to sea aboard ships. Who knew?


20 posted on 04/05/2007 4:30:40 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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