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Giuliani to social conservatives: Take it or leave it
CNN ^ | April 05, 2007

Posted on 04/05/2007 11:53:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rudy Giuliani's message to social conservatives: If you don't like my views, don't vote for me.

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To: Liz
This individual does not want to govern---he wants to rule.

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." -Mayor Giuliani, New York Newsday pg A3 4/20/98

"State authority must provide for peace and order, and peace and order in turn must conversely make possible the existence of state authority. Within these two poles all life must now revolve...Ideas of 'freedom,' mostly of a misunderstood nature, inject themselves into the state conceptions of these circles". -Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

441 posted on 04/05/2007 1:46:41 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (One fish, two fish, I want to go catch bluefish.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Rudy Giuliani's message to social conservatives: If you don't like my views, don't vote for me.

No worries Rudy, you'll never get a vote from me or anyone in my family.

442 posted on 04/05/2007 1:46:44 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Shhh, I'm hunting RINOs.)
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To: Fishrrman; xzins; EternalVigilance
But I will speculate that for each voter on the right (like yourself) who refuses to vote for Rudy, there are one, or perhaps more than one, of the "mushy middle" (and even some former "Reagan Democrats") who WILL vote for Rudy. Ultimately, you're refusal to vote stands less of a chance of hurting Rudy than you presuppose.

Ask me if I care.

Put Rudy up there and you will get the government you deserve.

Oh, and BTW the "Reagan Democrats" were largely DINO's from the bible belt. Those Reagan Democrats are not likely to cross the line to vote for a cross dresser who thinks that the government should fund the sacrificing of innocent children on the altar of economic prosperity.

And if you, sir, sit on your hands this election and permit Hillary or B. Hussein Obama to be elected simply because you refuse to support the Republican candidate, then YOU will get the "kind of government" YOU deserve!

I admit that I, as an American, deserve the government that the American people want. And if the American people want an unrepentant abortion proponent to lead this nation, then they are free to do it and suffer the consequences. I am prepared to suffer the consequences. My conscience is clear. If America wants Hillary or O'Bama then I'm willing to let God extend either his mercy or his judgment. I do fear that if the Choice is between Rudy (an unapologetic abortion proponent) and Hillary or Obama (unapologetic abortion proponents) then God has chosen for this nation judgment and not mercy.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: (Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV)

The choice is before you. Blessings or cursings, life or death. Your future and that of your posterity is in your hands. Choose wisely.

443 posted on 04/05/2007 1:46:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Registered

Is there an echo in here?

Some people seem to be posting the same things, almost word for word.


444 posted on 04/05/2007 1:46:48 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: jmc813

Yes I am familiar with that site. Is it a definitive predictor of anything? No.

Since Fred has been playing the coy maiden over that period one should expect some comments about him not all positive. I like him but his campaign should it happen does not concern me wrt its impact on Rudy’s.


445 posted on 04/05/2007 1:47:30 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Belasarius
If Fred gets it together and gets in then I’m voting for him.

Didn't I read something over the weekend where Fred said he would not run "for personal reasons" and that-is-that...case closed?

446 posted on 04/05/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by econjack
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To: streetpreacher

But I’m glad you’re with us!

But you have to be aware that when he moves up in the polls, this same type of thing will happen to him on FR.

And by the same posters.


447 posted on 04/05/2007 1:48:19 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I don’t make funny pictures on/for FR anymore. As far as you being a TROLL, you admitted you were one, please stop lying about it. Maybe there is a chapter in your Democrat Disruption Handbook that can get you out of the mess you created (look under “What to do when you are found to be the TROLL you are” or possibly, “When to change screennames”)

Fierce Allegience to the Democratic Party.


448 posted on 04/05/2007 1:48:29 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: NYC Republican
IF it's Rudy vs. Hillary/Obama/Edwards, it's an easy choice. Even if all other things are equal, and they agree on everything else (they're not, and they don't), Rudy STILL takes a huge advantage due to his stance on the WOT...

Well, I don't know about "easy" ... as a pro-lifer I would struggle to pull the lever for Rudy.

But in addition to the WOT, there is the little matter of the federal judiciary. It is at least conceivable that Rudy will appoint a few constructionists, or at least split his appointments between moderates and conservatives.

Whereas, if Hillary gets three Supreme Court nominations, we'll get the president, vice-president, and treasurer of the ACLU.

So even though Rudy opposes my convictions, voting for Rudy (not in the primaries, but in the general) might be the option that best furthers my convictions ... or at least does the least damage to them.

Hope it doesn't come to that.

449 posted on 04/05/2007 1:48:48 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: P-Marlowe

A heartfelt amen!


450 posted on 04/05/2007 1:48:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Howlin
"Some people seem to be posting the same things, almost word for word."

Got that right!

"you'll never get a vote from me"

451 posted on 04/05/2007 1:48:55 PM PDT by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: Registered

Sean Hannity is a whiny little sycophant with the reasoning skills of an 11-year-old.


452 posted on 04/05/2007 1:49:11 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Fishrrman
I have predicted a few years' back - and I will predict again - that before long, there will not even BE a "pro-life" plank in the Republican platform. If Rudy looks unstoppable for the nomination, we may even see a "matter of personal conscience" plank regarding abortion in THIS year's Republican platform.

That's one of the big reasons that so many Republicans are opposing him. Same goes with the pro-2nd Amendment platform of the GOP. It would be tragic to see a Giuliani candidacy cause the end of that.

453 posted on 04/05/2007 1:49:12 PM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: jmc813

I agree with that; and he’s way to “nice” for my taste, if you know what I mean.


454 posted on 04/05/2007 1:49:39 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Registered

Your reading comprehension skills suck. And you are a liar.


455 posted on 04/05/2007 1:49:46 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (One fish, two fish, I want to go catch bluefish.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Wow, r00ty-t00ty made it easy...anyways, I always say NO to gun-grabbers.


456 posted on 04/05/2007 1:49:51 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTOL=SLAVERY)
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To: Registered
I don’t make funny pictures on/for FR anymore.

That's for sure.

457 posted on 04/05/2007 1:50:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Wouldn't you just LOVE to know how I do that, and the account name I use?

Congrats, you're a dishonest blowhard on two sites.

458 posted on 04/05/2007 1:50:43 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Petronski

No, I never attributed words directly to you; I simply made a general statement about not calling people liberals if they don’t agree with you; if I struck a nerve, I apologize.


459 posted on 04/05/2007 1:51:03 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Sabramerican

True dat! It’s very telling. And the comparison is spot on.


460 posted on 04/05/2007 1:51:45 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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