Posted on 04/05/2007 9:18:28 AM PDT by dotnetfellow
Thought Experiment: What would it take to make the free world rise up against islamo-fascist terrorism?
Apparently kidnapping and taking hostage British soldiers isn't going to motivate the free world to rise up against islamo-fascist terrorism.
Iranian terrorists crossing into Iraq and blowing up innocents isn't going to motivate the free world to rise up against islamo-fascist terrorism.
Lebanese terror groups hurling rockets into Israel isn't going to motivate the free world to rise up against islamo-fascist terrorism.
And lets face it, if Gore, or Kerry after him, had won the presidential election (both close elections), even now the US would not be confronting islamo-fascist terrorism in the Middle East.
Is there anything that may motivate the free world to rise up against islamo-fascist terrorism?
Seriously, if anything catestgrophic happened in London, or Paris, then the fur would fly - but only for a minute. Otherwise, people would get back to their American Idol or Dancing with the Stars...
>>>>If WE do it there would be worldwide outrage and calls for a universal declaration of war on the U.S.............
SO WHAT!?! The Islamo-fascist have declared war on all infidels...That is you and me. They fight cowardly...no uniforms, hide behind women and children. THEY WILL NOT STOP FOR TIMES OUT!! You need to behead the serpent.
Load the tubes and take out Tehran and Mecca...and do it now....We are the laughing stock of the world. You can punch us in the nose and we fight for a couple of years then our leaders turn pussy.
I disagree vehemently.
The potential of fundamental Christianity, or Judaism, or any religion is every bit as abhorrent, criminal and mindless as islam is today.
Having "faith" and excercising mindless faith are two very distinct universes. For example, the most powerful weapon Christianily owns is the living by example and not coercion.
"Lack of faith" can only sound believeable if one lives on the west and east coasts... and is otherwise culturally confused and isolated.
Are you saying that only “fundamental”ism is the problem?
What kind of “faith” are you talking about? What is faith if there is no truth behind it?
As far as “lack of faith”, I am speaking in a generalized sense, as the US as a whole, not for all individuals.
As to “mindless faith”, that will always be in any historical period you care to name. It is just a matter of volume or percentage.
IMO? At least three major cities destroyed. Utterly destroyed not just attacked.
What planet do you live on?
That's not a war. That's the illusion of a war. The expense is real, the war is not. Regardless of the expense, a politically correct war is not war.
Perhaps the idea was best expressed by Victor Davis Hanson, in one of the most educational books I have read in the last few years, The Soul of Battle, The Free Press, Simon and Schuster, 1999.
Commenting on how farmer boys, uncouth yanks, laborers and ordinary Americans became ruthless killers, vanquishing the most formidable killing machine ever created, Nazi Germany and its ally, Japan:
For much of my life I have wondered where such a murderous force of a season came from. And how a democracy made a willing killer out of my father and other farm boys, putting their lives into the hands of an unhinged zealot like LeMay, who ostensibly was neither emblematic of a democratic citizenry nor representative of the values that we purportedly cherish. Or was he? How can a democratic leader brag of such destruction, take pride in his force's ability to destroy thousands --- in short, how can he be so utterly uncouth? How in less than a year after being assembled can a motley group of young recruits fly the most lethat bombers in history to incinerate a feared imperialistic culture six thousand miles from their home?
And how can that most murderous air force in the world nearly disappear into the anonymity and amnesia of democracy six months after its victory?
[Emphasis mine.]
Those thoughts are the easy anxieties of the desk-bound class. I have come to realize that both Curtis LeMay and my father are stock types, not aberrations, of the democratic society that produced them. Democracy, and its twin of market capitalism, alone can instantaneously create lethal armies out of civilians, equip them with horrific engines of war, imbue them with a near-messianic zeal within a set time and place to exterminate what they understand as evil, have them follow to their deaths the most ruthless of men, and then melt anonymously back into the culture that produced them. It is democracies, which in the right circumstances, can be imbued with the sould of battle, and thus turn the horror of killing to a higher purpose of saving lives and freeing the enslaved.
Whatever war we have been fighting the last 10 years, has distinctly lacked the spirit of that noble Soul of Battle.
I mentioned I have several relatives in uniform in the Middle East. I would be there, too but they don’t want old fogies slowing things down.
That list is scary beyond belief. That's not "rising up against terrorism"! That's reacting passively as a good victim should.
Makes as much sense as giving away your home and all your possessions (as well as your bank accounts) as the response to a burglary...
Just saying.
You cetainly don't speak for me.
Sure, our fighting men and women are faithful to their oaths to a fault, but an army operating with the rules of engagement that currently exist during a war is a criminal exercise against our own.
That is a crisis of leadership, not a criticism of our fighting men and women.
No army has ever prevailed where lawyers are part of the "fighting force", controlling when and how the actual fighters conduct that war.
That is insanity.
All muslims, period. Since the “moderate” muslims who aren’t actively trying to kill us won’t point out the fanatics hiding amongst them, we have no choice but to send them ALL away, to make sure we get the right ones.
Keep in mind this is being nice, since muslims don’t want to deport us, but to kill us all instead.
Well, surrendering, actively or through inactivity, certainly is less bloodthirsty.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
~~ John Stuart Mill ~~
Most have been back several times and are going back again. If they didn’t like the rules they could simply step aside.
My family has traditionally been in service in the military. Nobody is surrendering or ever did.
It's silly season again.
"Seeing the whites of their eyes" is simply a means of making sure you kill the bastards, not waste ammunition...
“I find it unfathomable, from my point of view that we would NOT retaliate IN KIND were we to sustain any kind of Nuclear attack on our nation........however I am not sure that would be the case!”
Honestly, I agree with you. To not respond to a nuclear detonation would be suicide. I also firmly believe two things: 1) that is what it will take for these idiots to take this threat seriosuly and 2) It WILL happen in my lifetime. If it does, annihilation of Mecca, Tehran, and Damscus would be called for. They (what’s left of them) will know we’re serious then.
I watched the National Geographic special on 9/11 over the weekend. I was haunted by a quote that ended the show: “The difference between us and the American’s is that the American’s love life and we love death” ~ Osama bin Ladin.
Hit the average citizen in that manner and their phony liberal compassionate apologia for the terrorists would evaporate instantly. We would likely see a bloodlust in this nation that would freeze the marrow in your bones.
"Faith" and "truth" are mortal enemies, and incompatible in the same discussion.
If you want to get on my permanent "ignore" metaphorical list, start quoting the Old testament; or the New. Or the quran, or any other set of 'holy' books.
I will put up my faith against anyone's but could never be so proud, arrogant and presumptuous as to claim the posession of the "truth".
LOL
As do I.
Both relatives and dear, cherished lifelong friends. All the way from grunts to classified future strategist planners.
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