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[National Boy Scout] Jamboree suit fails on appeal (Ft. A.P. HIll)
The Free Lance-Star ^ | 5 Apr 07 | JEFF BRANSCOME

Posted on 04/05/2007 4:21:50 AM PDT by leadpenny

Federal Appeals Court reverses ban on government funding for the National Scout Jamboree

Date published: 4/5/2007

A federal appeals court in Chicago yesterday reversed a ban on government funding for the National Boy Scout Jamboree at Fort A.P. Hill.

That means the Pentagon can spend millions--as it has in the past--to ready the Caroline County Army post for the 2010 jamboree.

"Today's decision allows everyone to get back to planning the centennial Jamboree celebrating the Boy Scouts' 100th birthday," George Davidson, an attorney for the Boy Scouts of America, said in a statement.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Defense Department in 1999, claiming its sponsorship of the Scouts violates the First Amendment. That's because the group requires its members to swear an oath of duty to God.

A federal judge ruled in favor of the ACLU in 2005. A spokesman for the civil-liberties group could not be reached yesterday.

In a written statement to The Associated Press, ACLU attorney Adam Schwartz said, "We continue to believe that government funding to support private activities which excludes persons on the basis of their beliefs is unconstitutional."

The Boy Scouts received about $7 million from the Defense Department for the 2005 jamboree, according to court documents released yesterday.

A.P. Hill has hosted the jamboree--the Boy Scouts' largest youth gathering--since 1981.

The court of appeals judges acknowledged that atheists and agnostics can't become Scouts.

But, they wrote, non-Scouts may attend the jamboree. They can visit on certain days for limited activities but can't spend the night.

The court also supported Congress' decision to allow the military to "take advantage of a built-in audience of potential recruits."

That's a "secular and valid purpose," the judges wrote.

A statute enables the military to support private groups if "such assistance is incidental to military training," the court documents state.

Troops police the 2,200-acre site, dubbed the fastest-growing city. In 2005, 43,000 Scouts and leaders converged on the military base.

An act passed by Congress in 2005 says the military's participation in the jamboree develops "leadership for defending our national security and preparing for combat."

Scout spokesman Robert Bork noted this "Support our Scouts" act in a statement yesterday.

"We are pleased that today's ruling preserves the training opportunity for the military that Congress wanted it to have," he said.

Jeff Branscome: 540/374-5402 Email: jbranscome@freelancestar.com


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1 posted on 04/05/2007 4:21:52 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

Ahhh, the ACLU trying so hard to give irony to their name.


2 posted on 04/05/2007 4:25:43 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk ("Truth: the anti-drug war")
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To: nuke rocketeer

good news for scouts


3 posted on 04/05/2007 4:28:51 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (One fish, two fish, I want to go catch bluefish.)
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To: leadpenny
Why is it so hard for leftists to understand the difference between the establishment of a state-sponsored, official religion that everyone is compelled to join, and the simple public support of an organization that no one is required to join (Freedom of Association anyone?) that has as one small part of it's basis a recognition of a particular religion?

And they call us extremists..........

4 posted on 04/05/2007 4:49:48 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906; All
The court of appeals judges acknowledged that atheists and agnostics can't become Scouts.

Maybe someone could clarify this acknowledgment. How does the BSA know if someone is an atheist or an agnostic?

5 posted on 04/05/2007 5:01:57 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
The Boy Scouts received about $7 million from the Defense Department for the 2005 jamboree

I bet that isn't exactly true. They get some benefit from the Defense Dept because they use DD land

6 posted on 04/05/2007 5:03:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

Don’t know how that’s tallied. IIRC, various commands from Ft. Lee to Ft. Belvoir are tasked to support the Jamboree.


7 posted on 04/05/2007 5:20:59 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Yup. But those bholes at the ACLU will never quit trying. They’ll probably come at BSA on the queer angle now. Maybe even get the UN to weigh in.


8 posted on 04/05/2007 5:26:06 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: leadpenny

Only if they proclaim themselves as such..


9 posted on 04/05/2007 5:26:47 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: leadpenny

The military and the Boy Scouts have always had a connection of a sort. Eagle Scouts who enlist in the U.S. military may receive advanced rank in recognition of their achievements. Scouting teaches preparation, reverence, survival, how to handle a gun and numerous other skills that are valuable in the military.


10 posted on 04/05/2007 5:30:49 AM PDT by kidd
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To: nuke rocketeer

To me they’d just be trying to prove a point to do that.

It’s been 50 years since I was a 2nd Class BS (that’s Boy Scout - not Bull Sh**er. I’ve made 1st Class in that Dept.), and thought there may be something in the BS Pledge requiring an agnostic or an atheist to go against the grain.


11 posted on 04/05/2007 5:36:27 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; nuke rocketeer
How does the BSA know if someone is an atheist or an agnostic?

In the simplest terms, the atheist or agnostic could not honestly agree to the Boy Scout oath.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

12 posted on 04/05/2007 6:16:08 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com * http://www.rudyblogs.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I thought it centered around something like that.

So, it’s wrong that agnostics and atheists can’t become Boy Scouts. If they say the Oath and don’t declare their atheism, they’re in.


13 posted on 04/05/2007 6:27:15 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

I’m not up on my Scout laws, but through the Scouts had made an accommodation for this.

It may depend on the troop.


14 posted on 04/05/2007 6:29:54 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com * http://www.rudyblogs.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands
er...but through...thought
15 posted on 04/05/2007 6:36:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com * http://www.rudyblogs.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

You may be right.

I see the ACLU taking this to the USSC. Maybe Robert Bork could argue on the side of the Scouts?


16 posted on 04/05/2007 6:39:45 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

That’s exactly why they rendered that decision.

Much the same as the Lefty University v. Rumsfeld on JAG access to recruit.

Think of it in ledger terms. Congress stated in law that Military Recruitment should be allowed on campus if Government funding is involved in the funding of the campus.

As long as it’s “wrote off” as Recruitment they can support the Jamboree since it’s Government property.

I think that was what was argued and the good guys won


17 posted on 04/05/2007 6:42:25 AM PDT by SShultz460
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To: SShultz460

Do you think the Supremes will take the case if they get a chance?


18 posted on 04/05/2007 6:49:16 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Defense Department in 1999, claiming its sponsorship of the Scouts violates the First Amendment. That's because the group requires its members to swear an oath of duty to God.

These people will leave no stone unturned in their blind hatred of Christianity, will they? I was a Scout back in 1973 and went to a National Jamboree in Idaho. There I met Scouts from all over the World - it was an event in my life that I will never forget. The ACLU shows once again what a bunch of leftist jerks they really are in screwing with a special event like this.

How pathetic.
19 posted on 04/05/2007 6:51:50 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (I have a big carbon footprint and I'm not afraid to use it.)
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To: leadpenny

They open their mouth!


20 posted on 04/05/2007 6:56:51 AM PDT by usslsm51
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