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To: Kuksool; Victoria Delsoul
Bill Simon had assurances that Rudy supported the Hyde Amendement.

Yeah, sure. LOL.

After this political blunder by Giuliani, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Simon never shows his face again on the campaign trail.

114 posted on 04/04/2007 1:33:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

The Rudy shills have made claims about Rudy being tough on illegal immigrants, supporting the partial birth abortion ban, respecting the 2nd Amendement, when his past showed the opposite.

This news revealed that Rudy supporters are liars.


120 posted on 04/04/2007 1:35:52 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Alberta's Child; Kuksool; HitmanLV; areafiftyone
Get real, Rudy is pro-choice alright (he has never denied it, nor have his supporters denied it) but this article puts Rudy in less of a pro-choice light than his nemeses usually try to depict him.

Let's go step by step, since raw emotions get in the way of reason when it comes to Rudy:

1. Rudy Giuliani told CNN Wednesday he supports public funding for some abortions.

What are those “some” abortions?
Rape, incest, and the life of the mother.

Is this funding legal?

In 1977 the Hyde Amendment passed specifying that abortion could be federally funded in cases of rape, incest and for the health of the mother. In 1981 Reagan vetoed a bill that expanded federal funding for rape and incest beyond the limitations of the existing law.

In 1993, with the stroke of a pen Clinton canceled several anti-abortion regulations made by the Regan and Bush Sr. administration, and expanded family planning counseling and federal funding for abortions to groups overseas. GW reversed Clinton's expanded federal funding and reinstated the Reagan policy that prohibited federal funding for family planning overseas.

This is the law as it stands right now. And what is Rudy saying now?

“And the Giuliani campaign noted later in the day that the former mayor would not seek to make any changes to current law, which restricts federal funding to cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother.”

In other words, he won't touch the existing law (Ronald Reagan's policy), because that's where the law currently stands.

I remember GW campaigning in 2000 that even though he was pro-life, he would make an exception in case of rape and incest, adding that good people can disagree on it.

And if I remember correctly, he also said that Roe v. Wade shouldn't be overturned.

GW appointed pro-choice judges to the bench during his tenure as governor of Texas. However during his 2000 campaign he emphasized that if he were to become president that abortion would play no part in nominating judges.

2. Giuliani also vowed to appoint conservative judges to the bench, though denied such a promise was a "wink and a nod" to conservatives in support of overturning Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision on abortion.

And this is what counts.

Giuliani's support of publicly funded abortions is one of several issues that are likely to put him at odds with social conservatives in his party.

The media must be loving this moment, knowing that the abortion issue is a dividing force in the GOP, while Hillary and Obama have raised $26 and $25 millions respectively and are sailing smoothly to their primaries without any criticism from our side.

If Rudy was a dishonest individual whose aim was to simply win the GOP nomination by saying the right things in order to appeal to the conservative base of the party, he would have just pandered to them and told the base exactly what they wanted to hear. He didn't do that.

Rudy has the confidence of being a straight shooter, and whether one agrees or disagrees with him, you know where he stands. So yes, Rudy supports the Hyde Amendment because the Hyde Amendment allows federal funding for some abortions: in the case of rape, incest, and for the health of the mother. I also believe when he said that he will nominate strict constructionist judges to the bench.

And as far as I know, this, is essentially the abortion policy under the current President - nothing more.

I personally would prefer that Rudy becomes pro-life, gets rid of the federal funding, and overturns Roe v. Wade, but even for a pro-life President this is an unrealistic expectation.

I do however appreciate someone telling me his or her true position, and despite your hyperbole and dislike towards Rudy, his positions are as good as GW's positions (since GW's actions towards the pro-choice movement are limited.) And if Rudy wins the nomination he would nominate originalist judges to the courts, something Hillary or Obama wouldn't do.

Bill Simon had assurances that Rudy supported the Hyde Amendement.

Yeah, sure. LOL.

After this political blunder by Giuliani, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Simon never shows his face again on the campaign trail.

Can you read the article?

And the Giuliani campaign noted later in the day that the former mayor would not seek to make any changes to current law, which restricts federal funding to cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother.

That means he supports the Hyde Amendment. I bet you don't know what the Hyde Amendment is:

In 1976, Congress passed the Hyde Amendment, which forbids federal funding for abortion. The only exceptions are in cases of rape, incest, and danger to the life of the woman. link

412 posted on 04/04/2007 8:10:49 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (If you think the world's dangerous, and you need a tough guy... that's me [Rudy] --Newt Gingrich)
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