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Skeleton Holds Key To Origin Of Man
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-3-2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 04/02/2007 7:09:39 PM PDT by blam

Skeleton holds key to origin of man

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 2:24am BST 03/04/2007

A skeleton of a possible hybrid between modern and more ancient humans has been found in China, which challenges the theory that modern man originated in Africa.

Most experts believe that our ancestors emerged in Africa more than 150,000 years ago and then migrated around the world.

However, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Prof Erik Trinkaus and colleagues provide details of a skeleton found in 2003 from Tianyuan Cave near Beijing.

The skeleton is 42,000 to 38,500 years old, making it the oldest modern human skeleton from eastern Eurasia, and one of the oldest modern humans from the region.

Most of its features match those of modern man, though some are more like late archaic humans, including the Neanderthals. The authors conclude that, as our ancestors spread, they interbred with local, more ancient, types of human.

The researchers say it is unlikely that a simple spread of modern humans occurred east of Africa, especially because slightly younger skeletons have been found in eastern Eurasia with similar features.

"The partial skeleton from Tianyuan is an important find, since there is a dearth of material from east Asia to document how modern humans became established there," said Prof Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum.

"Radiocarbon dates place the find close in age to the earliest Homo sapiens fossils so far discovered in Europe, Lebanon, Malaysia and Australia.

"Outside of Africa, only the early modern finds from Skhul and Qafzeh [in Israel], and possibly Liujiang from southern China, are of much greater antiquity."


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KEYWORDS: ancient; godsgravesglyphs; human; origins; prehistory; skeleton; tianyuancave
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To: Prost1
Now, about the dating factor. Uh huh, they are dating only the things they have found since they can’t date what they haven’t found and the sum total of their finds is insufficient for any plausable conclusions.

That’s a fact.

Here are some facts on dating. Check out these sources and get back to me:


ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.

Radiocarbon -- full text of issues, 1959-2003.


21 posted on 04/02/2007 9:41:53 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
"The multiregional idea is what I learned in grad school, many years ago. I have been partial to it ever since."

I didn't study any of this in school but, I'm partial to it also. After all the reading I do, it just seems the most logical explanation.
You must know that DNA studies does not support this 'take' on things though.

I thought Mungo Man was the big break in the case until the date proved to be much earlier than originally thought.

Fossil Challenge To Out Of Africa Theory (Mungo Man)

22 posted on 04/02/2007 9:45:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: Coyoteman

I am familiar with most of this stuff.

I do not know or understand your point.

My statement stands. The earth has changed and man can only look where man has access.


23 posted on 04/02/2007 9:47:31 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: hometoroost
You notice that too. In the past I called it the evo magic 8 ball.
24 posted on 04/02/2007 10:05:14 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: blam
[.. Skeleton Holds Key To Origin Of Man ..]

No it don't.. its a Yarn, fiction, a story....

25 posted on 04/02/2007 10:07:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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26 posted on 04/02/2007 10:13:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Race and Human Evolution: A Fatal Attraction Race and Human Evolution:
A Fatal Attraction

by Milford Wolpoff
and Rachel Caspari
hardcover


27 posted on 04/02/2007 10:14:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JimSEA

Given the way that humans like to marry those like them, any inbreeding would be limited to, say. captives. So did the human race begin with slavery?


28 posted on 04/02/2007 10:14:50 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
-- Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
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29 posted on 04/02/2007 10:15:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Prost1

And they are unlikely ever to find it. It is like a crossword puzzle of ten million pieces and we have but a few thousand of them. A few bones here, a few bones there. Even if we assume that evolution took place, it is quite possible that we shall never trace it, at least on the ground. But could not the differences be simply from the splitting of groups and genetic isolation?


30 posted on 04/02/2007 10:21:41 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: hometoroost
It’s amazing. New discoveries knock down one theory after another but the replacement theory is always posited as rock-solid proven fact. Often in error never in doubt.

Thank you. Isn't that the truth.

31 posted on 04/02/2007 10:27:37 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: RobbyS
I am an optimist. I believe that the origins will be discovered.

Zecharia Sitchin has done a lot of work on translating ancient texts. Not that he is 100% accurate, but clearly, he demonstrates an approach that should be considered.

http://www.sitchin.com/

Then we can look to Immanuel Velikovski...whose work preceded Sitchin’s.
http://www.varchive.org/

Bottom line. Evolution fails. We, today, can manipulate DNA!
And DNA was manipulated in the past.

That is a FACT which cannot be denied.

32 posted on 04/02/2007 10:35:22 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: blam

What came first, the skeleton or the man?


33 posted on 04/02/2007 10:50:08 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Support your local EOD Detachment)
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To: U S Army EOD

http://hubblesite.org/

Go figure.


34 posted on 04/02/2007 11:06:47 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: blam
"Most of its features match those of modern man, though some are more like late archaic humans, including the Neanderthals. The authors conclude that, as our ancestors spread, they interbred with local, more ancient, types of human."

I can hear the excuses now it was dark it was late I had a few to many to drink and we all know they look better in the dark and close to closing time!

Thank God some things never change cause the human kind would of died out long ago!

35 posted on 04/02/2007 11:45:33 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast? ("If God is your Father then I am your Brother" Larry Norman)
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To: Coyoteman
Doc, I see you're wasting your time again.
I'm surprised your efforts haven't resulted in punishment yet.
36 posted on 04/03/2007 2:00:31 AM PDT by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 11/5/1979.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Neither do I. There is also no evidence any Pleistocene era peoples from China have descendants. Unless there is a new find that fills the couple of thousand year gap in the archaeological record in China.
37 posted on 04/03/2007 5:25:23 AM PDT by Varda
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“Making this the world’s first skeleton key.”

No, this is only a skeleton of a theory with no meat on its bones.

I think the anthropologists will have to have another skull session before they can get to the marrow.


38 posted on 04/03/2007 6:58:25 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
I think the anthropologists will have to have another skull session before they can get to the marrow.

Good humerus post, but I think you're ribbin' us. But go ahead, talus all about it.

We're too busy for that skull session today but maybe we can to that on the marrow. These things need tibia scheduled, you know. How we fit everything into our busy schedules ulna ever know.

39 posted on 04/03/2007 8:34:04 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam

Does the Skeleton resemble Ted Kennedy?


40 posted on 04/03/2007 9:11:23 AM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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