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To: dangus
The photos of Giuliani dressed as a drag queen aren't personal peccadillos, they illustrate a decision by Giuliani to embrace the homosexual radical left.

That's just silly.

I've never described Giuliani as a conservative--he's not. But he's far preferable to the alternative--Hillary. And as much as I'd like to be one of those FReepers who "stand on principle" and allow the democrats to take congress and possibly the White House rather than vote for a "real conservative," I see many on the right, particularly those who see through a screen of religion, taking this party down the toilet just as fast as the RINOs.

I don't believe in purity tests, and neither do most Americans. The time to get a real conservative is in the primaries, but what good is that if he's destined to be slaughtered? Giuliani would be a good leader in the WOT--that's the #1 issue for me, and for everyone who understands the gravity of the Islamofascist threat. I'm sorry, being pro-life hasn't done the movement very much good under Reagan or two Bushes, and one's stand on abortion is meaningless if we're all dead by Muslim nukes.

People LIKE Giuliani better than HRC. My personal choice would be Thomson, but can he beat HRC? I know many here WANT to believe he can, but if he can't, I don't want to hear any bitching from the religious right, who did all they could to stop Rudy so we could get HRC as our president.

45 posted on 04/01/2007 9:57:21 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377

Giuliani is a scandal just waiting to happen. The first intern flashes her thong and it's Impeachment City.

He makes terrible decisions based on impulse. How can his personal life have no bearing on how he would lead the country?


48 posted on 04/01/2007 10:01:30 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!! FreeRepublic is FRed country!!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Actually, I believe a big chunk of Giuliani's lead has been from the evangelical vote. In fact, from a conversation I had just today, I'm getting the idea that the average Christian doesn't even KNOW Giuliani's stance on abortion.

Personally, I don't see where religion has played much of a role in this at all. Mostly what I see, and especially on FR, is a dislike of Rudy's pro-gun control stance. That one...gee...just doesn't sit well with voters. I recall Gore not winning his own home state of Tennessee, for example.

For me, if Rudy convinces me he will do something about illegal immigration (which I consider a national crisis right now), I will be more inclined to consider him.


78 posted on 04/01/2007 10:30:57 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: Darkwolf377

How is it silly? I mean, how is it in any way untrue or misleading? I'll justify it by saying he did what he had to to save NYC from ruin, and if he needed to make some (very) strange bedfellows to do it, God bless him. And as a conservative Christian, I mean that. But now, if he wants still higher office, that is, if he wants to supplant another conservative in the role of GOP nominee, then he had better communicate to us, his constituents, what his real values actually are.


87 posted on 04/01/2007 10:33:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Darkwolf377
I've never described Giuliani as a conservative--he's not. But he's far preferable to the alternative--Hillary

Herein lies the rub. We are allowing the DNC and Hitlery to define *our* candidate simply because of fear. Fear has strangled the party since 2000. We had Congress and the Presidency and fear of the dems kept us from doing much, and yet we still lost in 06.

Rudy might be good in the WOT but so would Fred. But would you rather win the WOT but lose the republic to dem ideals *of which many Rudy supports), or would you prefer to win the WOT and keep the republic. I for one chose the latter, and will not be forced into choosing a candidate solely because I fear Hitlery.

Personally, I think Fred can beat the beast.

178 posted on 04/02/2007 3:53:23 AM PDT by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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To: Darkwolf377
But he's far preferable to the alternative--Hillary.

There you go again, putting the cart before the horse.

There's a little thing called the "primaries" you know. Maybe when Rudy wins the nomination I'll drag out the industrial-strength clothespin. But until then, he shouldn't be elected dog catcher.

235 posted on 04/02/2007 9:16:22 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Remember, don't shoot food!)
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