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1 posted on 04/01/2007 6:37:34 AM PDT by tobyhill
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2 posted on 04/01/2007 6:41:24 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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No surprise here.

Fred Thompson on European Disarmament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=logC-ZR_4ow


3 posted on 04/01/2007 6:42:04 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.youtube.com/CafeNetAmerica)
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TGIB: Thank God Its Bush.

Had Kerry been president, Blair & Kerry would have sat at one side of the table, and some low ranking Iranian 'negotiator' on the other.

5 posted on 04/01/2007 6:42:50 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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"The official would deliver an assurance that British naval crews would never deliberately enter Iranian waters without permission, the Sunday Telegraph newspaper"

Here is Debka's take on this and it's pretty damn depressing.


This pledge in return for securing the release of 15 British sailors would also remove Britain from its tasks in securing the sea lanes to S. Iraq. DEBKAfile’s military sources: The statement by a senior British defense official Sunday, April 1 is fraught with broad implications: He said: “We are quite prepared to give the Iranians a guarantee that we would never knowingly enter their waters without their permission, now or in the future.”

1. One implication is that London is no longer solid in its position that the 15 sailors and marines seized by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards naval unit Friday, March 23, were taken from the Iraqi side of the divided Shatt al-Arab at the mouth of the Persian Gulf. “We are not apologizing, nor are we saying that we entered their waters in the first place,” said the official. “But it may offer a route out of the crisis.”

According to DEBKAfile’s sources in Washington and London, the British government had no choice but to give ground in its standoff with Iran after Western allied backing melted away. The UN Security Council invoked by Britain Friday, March 30, refused to deplore Iran’s conduct; and the European Union rejected London’s demand for an export boycott against Iran. But the unkindest cut of all came from Washington. It took President George W. Bush 10 days into the crisis, and frantic appeals from Downing Street, to affirm that the seized British crew had been taken from Iraqi water against the claim by Tehran.

“Iran must give back the hostages,” said Bush in his belated message of support. “They’re innocent, they did nothing wrong, and they were summarily plucked out of Iraqi water.”

Earlier on, Washington slapped down a deal to swap the 15 UK Navy personnel captured in the Gulf for five Iranians seized in Iraq.

The hostage crisis therefore places London and Washington, close strategic partners in the global war on terror and the Iraq war, at loggerheads as never before. The Blair government’s willingness to offer Iran a guarantee never to knowingly enter its waters is a blow to this partnership and American interests in the region. It means that Tony Blair is going off in his own direction, heading for negotiations with Tehran and a ransom deal for the 15 hostages that would potentially place British naval and marine strength on an exit course from the Shatt al-Arb. Only a month ago, the Royal Navy doubled its deployment in the Persian Gulf, Sea of Oman and Arabian Sea, to match the arrival of the US nuclear carrier Stennis and its naval, air and marine buildup.

The fruits plucked out of the sea with the British sailors could not be sweeter for Tehran. The British will have to ease out of the task they undertook to secure the sea routes to southern Iraq and its southern oil installations. This extra burden will devolve on the United States.

The guarantee never to enter Iranian waters will exclude Britain from any potential Western military action against Iran’s nuclear installation and further accelerate the British military pull-out from southern Iraq.

DEBKAfile’s Tehran sources report the radical Revolutionary Guards and president Mahmoud Ahmadnejad are celebrating their successes. By a single move, they have planted a wedge in the heart of the Western alliance ranged against Iran, helped boost crude to a six-month high, as well as humiliating Britain. Now, they are considering ways to capitalize on their success by follow-up coups.


6 posted on 04/01/2007 6:45:54 AM PDT by motorola7
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Pansies.
The west is nothing but a buncha pansies.
Iran is getting away with whatever they want and the west does nothing.


7 posted on 04/01/2007 6:48:03 AM PDT by fhlh (Liberal (noun): A person so open minded, their brains have fallen out of their head.)
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Peace in our time!
Hurrah!

9 posted on 04/01/2007 6:58:49 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Left is America's Ephialtes.)
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Iran 1, Britain 0.


11 posted on 04/01/2007 7:01:20 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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Bollocks!

LBT
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12 posted on 04/01/2007 7:03:01 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims! -- Abdulrahman Al-Rashed)
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...as a poll suggested most Britons back the government's goal of resolving the standoff through diplomacy.
13 posted on 04/01/2007 7:05:27 AM PDT by kabar
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I would seriously like to know if we have any UK Freepers on this thread... and if so, I'd like to know what their reaction is to what has been going on with this hostage crisis. Besides the Aussies and the Right-Side of the USA, does anyone in the Free World have a backbone anymore????


20 posted on 04/01/2007 7:18:54 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("Salvation is not free")
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Well, if the British are gonna be such pu**ies, I say WE start pushing them around.


21 posted on 04/01/2007 7:18:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (God: Always, In All Ways.)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com i suppose this is out of the question...

23 posted on 04/01/2007 7:25:58 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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"Britain Mulls Options for Dialogue With Iran" I doubt it, after reading this article "UK Embassy Under Attack" http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1258555,00.html


25 posted on 04/01/2007 7:33:25 AM PDT by Garvin (America - 20 Million Illegal Immigrants Can't Be Wrong! - Richard Jeni)
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I knew he would cave. All those words he used to the media got him NOTHING. Did he think those words woudl scare Iran? I am deeply, sadly disappointed in Tony Blair. I thought he had come from meager to strong but now he is not only back to meager but he now weak in the eyes of the world. It is up to the USA to protect ourselves and forget about being the savior of everyone else. God bless USA!


28 posted on 04/01/2007 7:46:50 AM PDT by cubreporter
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The British better read their history books and learn real quick that their current tactics are doomed to failure. Ask Jimmah Carter about his hair-brained negotiations with Iran and their failure. Jimmah Carter the pride of the DemoRAT party.


31 posted on 04/01/2007 8:57:34 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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