No you don't. I invited you to one in this post. I posted my personal analysis of something you had quoted, and said, "let me know if you find any oversights in it"
Rather than have a "good clean debate" on the analysis I posted, you just posted this childish retort.
When someone else pointed out to you here that the material deserved a better and more mature response from you, you came back with this load of excuses, false accusations, and insults.
I refuted all your false accusations and pointed out the flaws in your excuses here. Did you then choose to actually deal with the material I had posted? No, you did not. You ran away and couldn't even be man enough to apologize for the false accusations, much less return to the topic and address the material I had posted refuting the claim you had quoted.
Realizing that perhaps you weren't being disingenuous when you claimed that my post was "too big" for you to figure out what it was saying, I actually reposted it with "Cliff Notes" pointers summarizing the contents of each section for you, and again inviting you to actually address the material via the following passage which closed my post:
There, Dave -- now that I've helped you out by providing you with "signposts" that help you navigate that terribly, terribly long multi-page post, such that you won't get so easily lost and confused trying to read it due to your MTV-ruined attention span, I look forward to your response wherein you identify anything seriously wrong with my deconstruction of Behe's argument (and be sure to do it in your own words, since you several times have viciously attacked other people for using mere "cut-and-paste" and since you stated that you value "original content").Did you do that? No, you didn't. So much for your "LOVE" for "a good clean debate" -- every time you've ever been invited to one, you respond with excuses, evasions, "anger, hatred, bitterness and resentment", snottiness, or simply vanish from the scene.Or if you can't do that, I look forward to your admitting that I have successfully identified serious flaws in Behe's "IC" definition and argument, and your promise not to use it anymore nor post anything bogus enough to include Behe's "IC" as part of its argument.
We've got your number, Dave. You're not fooling anyone at all. You have run screaming from every actual "debate" youv'e had a chance at partaking in, any time you've found yourself facing someone who knew what they were talking about. Even so, I kept trying to get you to stop your namecalling and "nyah-nyahs" and actually post what you consider your 2-3 very best items from your favorite cut-and-paste sources (AiG etc.), so that we could put them (and your trust in them) to the test. I did this many, many times, including this example. Did you take the challenge to discuss the material on its merits? No, of course not, you just engaged in a wall-to-wall "you're a meanie and you suck!" response instead of getting around to, you know, discussing the topic finally. We've come to know you well, Dave, that's your trademark style, and it bears no resemblance at all to "LOVING a good clean debate". All you have is prancing pretenses about how you're yearning for a real discussion while you whine and cry about how "mean" we're being and how you won't engage in a debate with brutes such as ourselves... It's really pathetic, and it's no wonder you don't get taken seriously.
Now, of course, Dave is going to be tempted to issue his favorite cheap excuse of, "gosh, I *started out* trying to talk to you, but you were mean to me from the *start*, so *now* I have an excuse to run away from actually dealing with the material you post". The problem with that, of course, is that I have previously reviewed the posting history between you and I, and demonstrated that I was civil to you from the start, and you kept rejecting attempts to get you to engage in a discussion, while repeatedly doing things that undermined my initial willingness to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider you someone who actually wanted to have an honest discussion. Eventually it became entirely apparent that you were both unwilling and unable to do so.
Lying to us about that is bad enough, but I suspect you're even trying to lie to yourself about it.
Feel free to prove me wrong, though, I'm always willing to start fresh with someone. Give a real shot, finally, at responding to my material about Behe, if you really, truly "LOVE a good clean debate". If you keep it clean, I'll be more than glad to do likewise. If you decline, on the other hand, well, that speaks for itself.
Very few of those ever took place here on FR.
Gosh, I wonder why? Oh, right, because you guys don't "do" debates, you just behave in the way I documented above, which is a typical exchange whenever someone who understands the science posts something you guys know you can't handle.
You can read some of the anger, hatred, bitterness and resentment that underscores the evolutionary dogma on the thread.
Oh look, more insults and slogan-slinging! Typical.
It's not one-sided, and I'll be the first to admit that.
Good, because otherwise I've got *plenty* of examples I could post of anti-evolution folks, including yourself, being completely over the line.
I've butted heads a few times with people claiming to represent the creationist cause.
Those aren't the only people you've butted heads with, Dave. You'd rather butt heads than have an actual discussion of the actual topic, as revealed by all the times you've dodged discussions or run away just as someone posted refutations of what you hoped you'd be able to post without opposition or rebuttal.
Perhaps Answers in Genesis was down?