Posted on 03/31/2007 9:37:56 AM PDT by bnelson44
Marc Danziger is raising money to fight retreatist politicians:
I'm a liberal Democrat (pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-progressive taxation, pro-equal rights, pro-environmental regulation, pro-public schools) who supported and supports the war in Iraq. As I tell my liberal friends "Did I miss the part where it was progressive not to fight medieval religious fascists?" I've been waiting for four years for the White House to start really explaining the war to the American people, and to do anything sensible at all to maintain the political capital necessary to keep America in the fight - to keep us from withdrawing because the war is too messy, or too long, or just plain makes us feel bad.
During that time I was blogging about the war and issues around it at Winds of Change.NET, felt I was doing my part, and hoped that the leadership of the country would wake up and realize that public support for hard things - like wars - must be earned and maintained.
I've given up, and decided that it's up to each of us to start doing more. To that end, I've decided to start a PAC that will offer support to Congressional candidates of either party who support a foreign policy that doesn't involve wishing problems away. Not necessarily support for the invasion of Iraq, or blind allegiance to White House policies - but some plan that's better than taking our ball and going home, leaving the country to become a bloodbath. All I ask is that they have some clue as to what we should do about violent radicalism in the Islamic world other than surrender, withdraw, and hope for the best.
Here in California, defeated Gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides (who I used to work for, by the way...) has decided to raise $10,000 to "send President Bush a message" - among other things he's threatened to use the funds to run ads in districts where anti-withdrawal Members of Congress sit.
I plan to try and raise $30,000 over the next week - it will have to be pledges right now, since I don't have a PAC yet - $10,000 for third-party legal and accounting for the next year (to set the PAC up and do the accounting necessary to make sure that we're in compliance with election laws), and $20,000 to counter Angelides' ads. If we can succeed at that, we'll take it a step further and see if we can raise enough money to rattle some cages in this election cycle.
What we'll be doing is - among other things - running short videos that I'll be getting from friends in Iraq - I've asked them to simply film a message they would send in responses to Americans who want to withdraw right now.
Watch the first video and pledge here. http://www.victorypac.org/index.php
He's got that right. The WH, admin and GOP congress members have consistently done/said way too little way too late. They are as much to blame for the current situation as the dims and assorted traitors.
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And they might have a point.
I've thought for some time that a deadline for our withdrawal might force the Iraqis to stop their squabbles and unite in self-defense against the extremists.
I've been saying this for a long time, the president needs to detail to the American people the true, precise and exact reason/s for the battle of Iraq in particular, and the WOT in general. Ambiguities will not suffice anymore for the lazy, self-occupied American people. They need to be aroused in proper fear and respect for our dreaded enemy, Islam. No more lullabies that "Islam is a religion of peace". No more lies about "we fight only a tiny percentage of Muslims who are "terrorists". The fact is that Islam's front line jihadists, murderers, terrorists and pirates are supported directly by a large percentage of Muslims, and are supported morally by practically all of them. To believe otherwise is sheer folly, and it will surely lead to the defeat of the West.
I think secretly all we conservatives know that we fight against Islam, which has declared war on the West, but that the President is afraid to say this because he feels we need some Islamic allies in order to win the war, and that declaring war on Islam itself would immediately expand the war into something that we may not be able to deal with at the moment, (due to the general malaize in Europe and the weak resolve of Westerners in general). The President may have a valid point, but none-the-less, if the President, present and future, fails to explain to the American people the mortal danger that Islam poses to our very existence then we will lose more than we gain from this silence.
Islam is a serious threat to every free nation in the world, and it needs to be percieved for what it is. Islam is growing in numbers, in economic strength, in technology and in boldness. Meanwhile the West is losing its Christian faith, is basking in "easiness" and dangerously relaxed in a preceived indestructability. So we absolutely need a leader in the White House who can actually lead people instead of just "manage" things, or else we are in for a very, very difficult future. We need a President that is a natural leader, who is wise, moral and religious, for it is only through the eyes of faith and wisdom that the forboding menace of Islam can be seen in its fullness. Secularists and fools think Islam can be 'appeased', or that it can co-exist peacefully with other faiths and cultures; but those who are enlightened by faith know otherwise.
Either we face down Islam and send it back to the medieval days that it longs for, or the future will make Americans pine for the "good old days" of 2007. It's not too late, but the West had better wake up from its slumber soon or we will all be asking each other how it ever came to pass that Sharia law exists in our very midst. Just 10 - 15 years ago almost no American would have envisioned that homosexuals would be happily granted "civil union" status by the states as a means to stave off their quest for literal "marriage" status. And now we have both in some states. Evil can not only win, it is winning.
Interesting. A leftist who realizes that his 'progressive' views won't buy him a 'get out of jihad free' card.
As Rand has said, "You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality."
Uh, my point is exactly the one I made. Some dopey lib was trying to pin Saddam and his regime in Iraq as fascist. I corrected that falshood.
And this thread was about the war in Iraq. So what's YOUR POINT?
I think this comment from a response to this article say it all:
The Democratic Party is sick, rotten to the core.
They have taken money (Albright, both Clintons, Berger, and Jimmy Carter) from terrorist funders in the Gulf.
They have praised Iran which hangs gays and denies and promises the Holocaust at the same time as the world's most perfect democracy (Clinton).
They can't even stand up for the United States against IRAN.
In order for the US and Western Civilization to survive, the Dem Party of people who burn, then literally sh*t on the American flag has to die.
Cease to exist. Be ridiculed and attacked at every turn.
The Democratic Party of John Kennedy, and our fathers, is long dead. Other than Joe Lieberman and a very few others, there exists not a single Democrat who puts country over appeasement and peace at all costs.
The MSM is a huge part of this equation...
The President has given GREAT speeches, but the only sound bite that makes it to the evening news is where he screws up a word or phrase.
In our world where many sheeple get thier ONLY news from "The Daily Show", the MEDIA'S perception of what is said becomes the accepted truth.
Blood and gore simply sell better than the opening of a new sewage plant. Bombs get better ratings than some Iraqi mother praising the education of her daughters...
It is (and always has been) a PROPOGANDA WAR, and if Bush has failed at anything, I think it's that...
With Pelosi en route to Syria against the public wishes of the POTUS, with 15 British sailors kidnapped and hostage and with both houses passing deadlines for our outright surrender, we may be looking at Iraq as the last time this nation intervened for anyone (including us) for any cause at any time.
"You say Israel is being shelled with chlorine gas by Hezbollah and Hamas and thousands are dying? Hurry! Call Sean Penn, Barbara Boxah and Rosie O. But don't fret sweetie, we are going to ask for an emergency session of the Security Council next week to give diplomacy a chance. You know the UN created Israel so the UN can...and I swear to God if I hear any more about Israel being the only free country in the Middle East, I'll scream...that holocaust victim thing is so overdone"
" Darfur, Zimbabwe, Taiwan, Venezuela, Kosovo? Maybe Putin can help you out. Oh, well what about Gordie Browne or Segolene?"
"Warning: Do not call Homeland Security if you see religious clergy also known as imams walking the aisles at takeoff with real or potential weapons. The US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has held such conduct to be culturally insensitive and/or in violation of the Fourteen Amendment. You may be held and be subject to civil and criminal penalties."
"thought for some time that a deadline for our withdrawal might force the Iraqis to stop their squabbles"
The only way this thing turns out well for us is to trash Iran and Syria, cutting off the pipelines of money and fighters coming to Iraq...
We started this venture secure in the right of what had to be done, and we have been neutered since Day 2 by a leftist minority willing to sell out our future, for political gains NOW...
When even the Saudi King is now hedging his bets against an American Defeat, we KNOW we are in trouble...
"I can't help but suspect that a few years from now, he won't be a liberal Democrat anymore."
No, he will be a Truman democrat.
"progressive"
My liberal friends bitch and moan about "neocons." I call them "neoprogs" and"neolibs" to their faces. It drives them berserkowitz!
This has got to be in the running for post-of-the-day.
It's no accident those positions he mentions (pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pro-progressive taxation, pro-equal rights, pro-environmental regulation, pro-public schools) are all examples of feel-good policies, the triumph of wishful thinking versus realism...just like surrender in Iraq. At what point does one draw a principled line among such policies, keeping some but discarding others?
Methinks Mark has a long way to go.
Yes, but what is different about that? I'm not buying the MSM excuse any more. A tiger is a tiger. The MSM is being exactly what it always has been. GWB can no longer give a dynamite speech and complain that his word isn't getting out. Reagan didn't sit back - he gave us the model. No, the Bush administration is at fault for letting their message dissipate in the wind blowing from the MSM. And Bush has a lot more tools at his disposal than did Reagan. We are thirsting for leadership, even the liberals who are also patriots.
I don't know, he sounds a lot like Christopher Hitchens, who is still a lefty, but has been excommunicated from lefty circles because he supports the war.
Deep down I suspect a great many liberals know Bush is right about the war. If Gore or Kerry were doing what Bush is doing, they'd all be jumping up and down screaming approval. But neither Gore or Kerry have the guts to do what Bush is doing. Libs hate Bush, and all Republicans to be sure, so much they cannot give him credit for anything. To back Bush on the war would mean backing him on the most important issue of this present time. That they cannot do.
Comedy movie producer and writer David Zucker of "Airplane" fame is another. He actually made an anti-Kerry propaganda flick before the 2004 elections.
Hussein's regime was in no way fascist??!!?? Are you serious?
He was a socialist dictator. A spawn of the left. Yeah, I'm serious. I'm not willing to let a liberal politician cast him as a far right wingnut, when he was a leftist in ideology.
How serious are you? Go ahead: why was he a "fascist" as opposed to what he claimed for himself, a "socialist"?
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