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To: poisonivy27
Well, it has not derailed Rudy with me, because, with me, as a result of his stand on those issues...he was never on the tracks to begin with.

Speaking to relatives and friends around the country...they feel the same way. There was never even a consideration on our part to vote for the man.

I believe there are millions and millions who feel the same. but that is just my own opinion.

2 posted on 03/30/2007 2:58:17 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
I agree.

If Republicans can't do better than an anti-gun, pro abortion, open borders, appointer of liberal judges, they deserve to lose.

4 posted on 03/30/2007 3:03:59 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Jeff Head

Exactly!


5 posted on 03/30/2007 3:08:47 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: Jeff Head

Hi Jeff, it's my opinion as well. None of my personal friends will vote for him.


9 posted on 03/30/2007 3:15:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary, if you want America finished off!)
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To: Jeff Head

I get the impression that much of Guiliani's shallow support is from people who do not want to lose at any cost. 2006 hurt too much and now they are grabbing at the first RINO as if a drowning man grabbing the point of a sword.


25 posted on 03/30/2007 4:13:22 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Jeff Head

I agree.

Rudy's legacy will be "millions and millions" of socon voters feeling disenfranchised, while rudy thinks he can chase after the thin slice of hundreds of thousands of moderates who are notoriously fickle. Rudy won't be recognizable when the Clintoons are done with him (AND hildebeast runs to the right of him, chasing after the same muddled-middle voters), and the fickle middle-of-the-road moderates will vote democrat.


29 posted on 03/30/2007 4:34:02 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Jeff Head

If the Republican Party wants Rudy to be their candidate, they don't want to win, and they don't want my vote.


41 posted on 03/30/2007 6:58:28 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Jeff Head
. There was never even a consideration on our part to vote for the man.

Add me to that list. I will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstances.

45 posted on 03/30/2007 7:40:43 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Jeff Head
I was finally able to nail down a Rudy bot on another thread as to why they were supporting Giuliani. From what I could piece together, it basically boils down this:

-there is no set definition of a conservative, so you have no right to judge who is and who isn't a conservative, especially Rudy
-Rudy is tough on terrorism
-he cut taxes dozens of times
-he is tough on crime
-he's a leader
-he says he'll appoint constructionists judges
-he can beat Hillary

The Rudy bots saturate their brain with these tidbits, and then put blinders and earmuffs on to everything else. Don't bother brining up Rudy's endorsement of federal funding for abortion or his support of gun registration. They'll just do what Democrats do with terrorism, ignore it and treat it like it doesn't exist.

They then become irrationally angry and vindictive to anyone who questions whether Rudy should be the nominee, and they usually throw in something like "not supporting Rudy is just as bad as voting for Hillary."

They're hoping that Rudy's early lead in the polls will translate into automatic victory without any real debate on conservative principles.

I also think that Rudy's candidacy is part media creation rather than any kind of real grassroots repub support. The media is dreaming over a Giuliani/Hillary '08 matchup.

175 posted on 04/03/2007 12:52:36 PM PDT by GunRunner (Rudy 2008, because conservatives can't win.)
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