Posted on 03/30/2007 2:53:04 PM PDT by poisonivy27
The most high-profile national conservative leader to endorse Rudy Giuliani for President so far insists that the former New York mayor's non-conservative stands on social issues such as abortion won't derail his candidacy in the Republican nomination process next year.
"I've met with several social conservatives and they are leaning strongly to Rudy," said Steve Forbes, publisher and two-time GOP presidential hopeful, who has just come out for Giuliani for President. Although he said he couldn't give the names of most of those he has talked to who are poised to join the Giuliani bandwagon, Forbes did cite Joel Rosenberg -- evangelical Christian, best-selling novelist, and a veteran of past Forbes campaigns -- who was prepared to join Giuliani's campaign team. In Forbes' words, "He thinks Rudy's the real deal, as do at least two others I'm talking to. Giuliani will have a [conservative] team in formation."
How do you propose to do that? So far your position is a loser. In case you haven't noticed, you can't "get a conservative in office" without winning an election.
This is the stupidest, unreal attitude around. This is what got us leaders like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. If you join them with Mrs. Bill Clinton the country as we know it is doomed.
Mrs. Bill Clinton is anti-gun, pro-gay and pro-choice. She is also for nationalized health care, higher taxes, anti-war, liberal judges...she is a socialist. If that is what you want just go ahead and let the Republicans lose the presidency. You can go down the toilet with your head held high.
Dream on. If "Hiltery" wins in 2008 there's no four years and out. And by 2016 this country won't be recognizable in today's terms. "Conservatives" will be competing to see who can raise the most taxes for national health insurance by then.
What you guys fail to grasp about the "Rudy is no different from Hillary" fraud is, the winner sets the terms of the debate, sets the agenda, and deals the cards. Just look at the difference in the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. Clinton understood this, so we still have a government larded with Clintonoids--he had an agenda and he was serious enough about it to subvert the government machinery in order for his agenda to survive his leaving.
Bush has no idea about this, so he left the Clintonoids in place, and now the State Department, CIA, FBI, Pentagon, and god knows who else is actively working to advance--the clinton agenda. The Bush agenda, whatever it is at this point-- is dead in the water, floating around in some stagnant inlet somewhere.
Let Clinton II have eight years and god only knows what we will have to swallow-- but guaranteed, it will be bitter and it will be permanent. Giuliani is socially liberal, no argument-- but he doesn't have a driving need to remake the USA into a chickenshit totalitarian eurosocialist state like the Clinton Crime Family does.
It's a free country, (still--more or less) so you all have the right to your opinions, but you who can't see the differences in these crucial domains have no right to expect to be taken seriously.
Right now, the Democrats running Congress are a direct result of the Republican failure to articulate and work for a conservative agenda. Their weakness has opened the door for Rudy, who would lay claim to being "80% conservative"! Really? The social conservative are only worth 20% of the Republican vote???
Why is it the "social conservatives" and 2nd amendment defenders must be accept this? Why should I accept a pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-illeagl candidate? To stop a Democrat who is a mirror copy? Just for a party that doesn't has become lazy, overconfident, and now almost irrelevant. Congressional Republicans: Get some spine out there guys!
It's not going to happen if candidate from both party are liberals.
"Back to painting the railings swabby."
I am offended by that remark. The term "swabby" or "swabbie" should be capitalized thusly: Swabbie/Swabby
Additionaly, I scored too high on the ASVAB to paint. We had those hay farmers from Ohio do the painting.
P.S. What's the best place to be in Ohio? Right in the middle, because any direction you go you are leaving. ;)
Oh, that`s witty
The Republican party, the conservative movement and the nation won't be recognizable by 2016 if a liberal Republican like Giuliani gets in office.
Apparently, you have learned nothing from the experience of electing RINOs to office like Christie Todd Whitman, Michael Bloomberg and Arnold Schwartzenkennedy.
There is no stopping a liberal agenda when it is being advanced by a Republican. Worse, a RINO like Giuliani in office will result in shrinking Republican minority in Congress where as the first Clinton Presidency resulted in Republicans gaining 500 seats nationwide.
Thanks. I'll be here all week.
The most high-profile national conservative leader to endorse Rudy Giuliani for President so far insists that the former New York mayor's non-conservative stands on social issues such as abortion won't derail his candidacy in the Republican nomination process next year.
It didn't derail Ronald Reagan, and I hope it won't derail Rudy. As governor of California, Reagan not only increased welfare spending in the state, but also signed a law vastly expanding legalized abortion to the point that the number of abortions skyrocketed in California under Reagan's watch within a year. However, in 1976, candidate Reagan running against Gerald Ford made his opposition to abortion clear.
People change just as Reagan did, and his social stances as governor of CA didn't derail him when he ran for the GOP nomination.
What makes Reagan great were his ideals and his indomitable sense of optimism towards America and Americans. As a president, Reagan knew the value of individual enterprise without government handouts. He gave us a sense of pride and faith in the greatness of the America, and articulated the moral obligation that as a nation we need to share American values by our deeds and actions with the rest of the world.
That sense of pride and optimism is prevalent in Rudy Giuliani. His optimism exudes confidence and the realization that he can get things done, as opposed to just talking about it.
(((RUDY PING)))))
Reagan certainly was a great president and inspirational, but it's good to remind his fans that he wasn't perfect, either. I agree that Rudy has seemed to have comparable skill in inspiring and winning over listeners, though I did have my doubts if his act would play well west of the Hudson. So far, it clearly has.
Those kind of nasty comments will estrange every single Rudy person from ever supporting your candidate.
Even his son Michael Reagan says so. And if Reagan changed for the better, why not someone else?
I agree, but that kind of perspective requires some maturity.
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The Democrats are surely chuckling with glee as they contemplate sticking their hands in our pockets and pulling out more of OUR money. I'm from PA, run by the Democrats, land of high taxes where prosperity is "bring on more casinos and public financing of stadiums". That's America's future if we let another Democrat get the White House.
Ditto that, Katie-O. A lot of "movement conservatives" are in for a rude awakening when Giuliani rolls to the nomination and election with them standing on the sidelines.
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