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To: GunRunner
Diesel engines running biodiesel is one of the only workable energy solution to reduce dependence on foreign oil, and when Honda releases their diesels in the US, I'll be first in line to get one. They're more efficient, faster, and can run on fuel that doesn't come from terrorist countries.

Just plain ain't so. It takes fossil energy to produce biofuels. Fertilizer (Haber process - natural gas) Tractors (diesel) harvesters (diesel) transportation (diesel) pressing (electricity coal 50+% rest hydro, nuc) distillation (fuel oil or natural gas). What is critical is the energy balance in these processes. If they use as much energy (on according to some studies more) fossil energy than they produce, then they INCREASE dependence on foreign oil.

They're a fraud all right, but not for the reasons given in the article. They're a fraud because they're designed to transfer wealth (mandatory ethanol usage) from the general public to the ethanol producers and farmers at an increased dependence on foreign oil.

19 posted on 03/30/2007 6:45:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: from occupied ga
It takes fossil energy to produce biofuels. Fertilizer (Haber process - natural gas) Tractors (diesel) harvesters (diesel) transportation (diesel) pressing (electricity coal 50+% rest hydro, nuc) distillation (fuel oil or natural gas). What is critical is the energy balance in these processes. If they use as much energy (on according to some studies more) fossil energy than they produce, then they INCREASE dependence on foreign oil.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Three of those variables can themselves run on biodiesel. As for the rest, can you explain how using nuclear, hydro, and natural gas have anything to do with foreign oil?

44 posted on 03/30/2007 7:11:45 AM PDT by GunRunner (Rudy 2008, because conservatives can't win.)
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To: from occupied ga
They're a fraud all right, but not for the reasons given in the article. They're a fraud because they're designed to transfer wealth (mandatory ethanol usage) from the general public to the ethanol producers and farmers at an increased dependence on foreign oil.

Guess who will be on the receiving end of the wealth transfer? Jeb Bush (Interamerican Ethanol Council founder, Florida FTAA founder) and the Fraudster-in-Chief, his brother George.
72 posted on 03/30/2007 7:41:44 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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