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Conservative think tank lends helping hand to Giuliani
Monterey Herald ^ | March 29, 2007 | William Douglas

Posted on 03/29/2007 11:57:32 AM PDT by FairOpinion

In his drive to be the first politician to go from City Hall to the White House, Republican Rudolph Giuliani is being schooled on issues by a conservative think tank that helped him dramatically reshape New York City's public policy during his mayoralty.

Giuliani is once again leaning on the expertise of the Manhattan Institute, a conservative brain factory. It was founded nearly 30 years ago by Antony Fisher, who was a mentor to former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and a friend to Reagan administration CIA chief William Casey.

Before Giuliani's first successful mayoral run in 1993, he sat through hundreds of hours of seminars set up by institute members, where he embraced a "zero-tolerance" approach to crime and a tough-love welfare policy that became hallmarks of his administration.

Giuliani says the new approach contributed to the huge crime drop that New York experienced while he was mayor. Homicides in the city plummeted from 1,927 in 1993 to 671 in 2000, according to FBI statistics. Major crimes - which include aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, rape - fell by 57 percent

Fans of the institute say it lives up to its motto of "Turning Intellect into Influence" by forcefully advocating a conservative free-market agenda of tax cuts, privatization, school choice and strict law enforcement - and by aligning itself with rising political stars such as Giuliani to carry it out.

(Excerpt) Read more at montereyherald.com ...


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To: FairOpinion

All we need to go along with this article is that pic of the pig in lipstick.


21 posted on 03/29/2007 12:31:17 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: All

Giuliani Top Choice Among Both Moderate, Conservative Republicans

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=26911


80% of conservatives have a favorable opinion of Giuliani.


22 posted on 03/29/2007 12:31:27 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion
Before Giuliani's first successful mayoral run in 1993, he sat through hundreds of hours of seminars set up by institute members, where he embraced a "zero-tolerance" approach to crime and a tough-love welfare policy that became hallmarks of his administration.

Giuliani says the new approach contributed to the huge crime drop that New York experienced while he was mayor. Homicides in the city plummeted from 1,927 in 1993 to 671 in 2000, according to FBI statistics. Major crimes - which include aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, rape - fell by 57 percent




I like the way Rudy Giuliani approaches problems, gets advice from many reputable sources then ATTACKS the issue head on.

Go Rudy!
23 posted on 03/29/2007 12:33:35 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: Pox
You people are nuts. You'll go down the tubes with someone who cannot get elected like Duncan Hunter (Duncan who?) on issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc and let Hillary get elected who, no don't tell me, is pro choice and supports homo marriages. The real issues are taxes, the war on terror, immigration and judge nominations. If Rudy is the nominee he will be strong on those things.

Or you can just not vote and we'll end up with a POS like the Congress we have now because people stayed home.

24 posted on 03/29/2007 12:34:36 PM PDT by gesully (gesully)
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To: gesully
The real issues are taxes, the war on terror, immigration and judge nominations. If Rudy is the nominee he will be strong on those things.

Let's see how your first statement meshes with your second statement.

Taxes: Rudy opposed the flat tax and opposed repealing the NYC commuter tax.

War on terror - Rudy pushed a corrupt crony for the most important anti-terror job in the country.

Immigration: Rudy defied federal law and federal court orders to protect NYC's sanctuary city policy, and favors shamnesty and a virtual fence instead of a real one.

Judges: Almost all of the judges Rudy appointed as mayor were liberals.

Four strikes. Rudy's OUT! By your own standards. And we haven't even gotten into his pro-abort, pro-gun-control, pro-CFR, pro-gay-rights and pro-global warming positions. Nine strikes!

25 posted on 03/29/2007 12:41:28 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: TitansAFC

Conservatives aren't supporting Rudy. That's why every time there is anyone even marginally Conservative who announces support for Rudy, there is a Press Conference, mass of blog postings at Conservative websites, and parades down Madison Avenue with Rudy in a float. "LOOK THERE"S A CONSERVATIVE IN AMERICA SUPPORTING RUDY, WOO-HOO!!!!!

6.) There will be few greater days in the HISTORY of the Conservative movement than the day that Rudy Giuliani is forced to waste his time going to the GOP Convention (remember how he said this?) to endorse the ticket of two Republicans who aren't him in 2008.

7.) Liberals like yourself will never have a candidate Liberal enough for you in the GOP. So why do you purists persist at Free Republic?






Rudy Haters love to make up "stuff" just so they can vent. You are wrong about conservatives not supporting Rudy Giuliani:



....Dick Morris
excerpt of article dated March 29, 2007

The most recent Gallup polling still reflects broad support for Rudy. Not only is he leading among moderate Republicans, but he has a strong lead among conservatives as well. These data belie the contention of some commentators who say that when voters learn that Giuliani is pro-life, pro-gun control, and pro-gay civil unions that they will turn off his candidacy in droves. Despite extensive publicity of Rudy’s positions on these issues, he is holding a big lead among conservatives.

Giuliani leads McCain among self-described moderate Republicans by 48-26, but also leads among conservative GOP voters by 38-20, both very significant margins:

Republican Vote By Ideology

Moderate Conservatives

Giuliani 48% 38%
McCain 26% 20%
Romney 3% 8%
Gingrich 2% 14%

Source: Gallup poll
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=26911

Why the lead for Rudy among conservatives? Terrorism is the key conservative issue these days and, on that, he measures up to right wing expectations just fine. Even though Giuliani disappoints many on the right with his social positions, his toughness in dealing with terrorists attracts broad admiration.

Rudy is also increasingly seen as the most likely Republican to defeat Hillary Clinton. All the matchups featured in news media showing him ahead in key states like Florida and Pennsylvania also bolster his standing on the right.

Giuliani’s strong showing among conservatives could, as mentioned above, be seriously challenged by Fred Thompson, based on his true-blue conservative credentials.


26 posted on 03/29/2007 12:41:33 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: gesully
The real issues are taxes, the war on terror, immigration and judge nominations.

Rudy just said he's not supportive of a border fence.

Rudy is pro-abortion, pro-gay and anti-gun. Wouldn't his judicial nominations reflect that philosophy?

27 posted on 03/29/2007 12:42:57 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: FairOpinion
...Anybody who doesn't think Hillary is the worst thing, the very worst thing that can happen to this country and isn't actively trying to prevent it, IS NO CONSERVATIVE. PERIOD.

Perhaps Hillary is the worst thing that could happen to this country (Hussein Obama wouldn't be the "worstest"?), but she'd be only marginally worse than Rudy.

28 posted on 03/29/2007 12:46:51 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: gesully
And I'm of the opinion that you and yours are psychotic and delusional to believe that RINO Rudy will not continue his liberal record once you've put him in the WH.

Mr. Thompson is the best choice, IMO. But your faction is bound and determined to sell your souls to see that liberal RINO Rudy is nominated. Once that has occurred, don't be surprised when he loses due to apathy from the right that cannot be compensated from the moderate/left pool of voters.

There's still time to see a conservative nominated that can easily defeat the dim nominee, IMO.
30 posted on 03/29/2007 12:48:49 PM PDT by Pox (Just say NO to RINO Rudy!)
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To: Blackirish

LOL, your faction is pitiful, IMO.


31 posted on 03/29/2007 12:49:39 PM PDT by Pox (Just say NO to RINO Rudy!)
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To: FairOpinion
Rudy's approach to fighting crime was more authoritarian than conservative in my opinion.

Despite the way some people like to define conservative, I still think of conservative in the political sense as a small government approach to issues.

Rudy's approach involved the government cracking down. He didn't support people's right to be defend themselves. He supported the government taking stronger control over the populace by enforcing laws more rigidly and consistently.

He actively fought against people's right to bear arms and tried to drive gun companies out of business with liability suits blaming them for the criminal actions of others.

He was more fiscally conservative than the New York Democrats.

He's not really conservative. He's not completely liberal. You can't to use the term fascism without invoking images of Hitler, and Rudy does not have the racist or ultra-nationalist tendencies that are inherent in fascism.

He doesn't easily fit into a category I guess, but he sure isn't conservative.

32 posted on 03/29/2007 12:51:34 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: TitansAFC
A whole lot of SoCons and Gun Conservatives will work for his defeat (not Hillary's victory, Rudy's defeat) in the General Election



Dude...your projecting. What your saying doesn't even make sense. That socons will campaign against Rudy but for no one in the general?

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Not one poll has shown that. Rudy's poll numbers have you unhinged.
33 posted on 03/29/2007 12:54:34 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: TitansAFC
come rushing to his rescue all for the virtue of his Authoritative leadership instead of Hillary, but it WILL NOT HAPPEN.

I think you mean Authoritarian.

"Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do" -- Rudy Giuliani


34 posted on 03/29/2007 1:04:55 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: KATIE-O
You're not that dumb, so you must be spinning.

1.) Much of the Pro-Life, Pro-gun, pro-borders crowd has NO idea where Rudy stands yet. Every poll show that.

2.) Polls like this get skewed anyway, because FRAUDS like some Rudy supporters go around telling people they are "Conservatives." They're not. Just like I can tell any pollster that I'm an "African American," even though I'm not, just based on my own perception that my ancestors were once from Africa, so I must be. Rudophiles do the same thing - "well, I never called for the Impeachment of George W. Bush, so that must make me a Conservative!"

3.) That same Gallup poll shows him dropping a catastrophic 13 percent in one month. Trend? Since you believe the poll to be accurate, you must recognize that he's in a free-fall, right?
35 posted on 03/29/2007 1:14:56 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("My 80% enemy is not my 20% friend" -- Common Sense)
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To: FairOpinion

Why is the rino being schooled by a "conservative" think tank?Answer: He doesnt have core conservative beliefs!Duncan Hunter would not require a"conserative" think tank because: Duncan Hunter is a conservative and doesnt need a script. So sorry roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooody


36 posted on 03/29/2007 1:24:31 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Sonny M

Granted, thats just the tone the article gives off, he does know conservatism, he just disagrees with it on all social issues and agrees with Hillary and Obama on social issues.


In all fairness to Rudy, he disagrees with conservatives on some Constitutional issues as well.


37 posted on 03/29/2007 1:27:45 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter '08 Pro family, pro life, pro second Amendment, not a control freak.)
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To: FairOpinion

More like "Conservative Sink Tank"


38 posted on 03/29/2007 1:28:54 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: FairOpinion

Did the think tank tell him to stop grabbing guns?


39 posted on 03/29/2007 1:30:38 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: stillonaroll
Rudy just said he's not supportive of a border fence.




Being a realist, Rudy is in support of a technological "fence" and so am I. You just can't fence the entire border. Technology has proven to be effective in the areas where it is used on a regular basis.
40 posted on 03/29/2007 1:33:56 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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