Posted on 03/27/2007 1:40:16 PM PDT by RepublicanPOTUSin08
My most important issue is the WOT. Without a strong leader for that, nothing else matters. That's my opinion. You asked.
So you have a hard time protecting unborn children? Yes there are many other issues, but if we dont value and respect human life of any age, how can we decide other issues?
Oh, wait, I take that back. If we lose the WOT and Sharia law is enacted, you'll get your wish to rid this country of abortions and your longing for gays to go away will come true. They'll go away alright...maybe some of you can do the beheading, judging by how much you hate them yourselves.
Amen!
Excellent observation.
He's 64, Giuliani is 62, Rommey is 60, McCain is older than dirt
I think that's very telling about the state of your own heart. How could any human being not think this issue is important?
LOL. You must have seen the World Nut Daily poll....
So could you refer me to some?
I know what you mean.....you are not alone.
yea yea yea...blah blah blah. Again, I choose to live in the real world. Yea, I'm a cold, cold hearted woman. The worst.
Kissing up and kissing on.
I agree with you. I would never support Rudy in a primary, although if (God forbid) it came down to a choice between him and Hillary, I'd hold my nose and pull a lever for him. But Rudy is not someone I'd like to see as the Republican nominee.
Well you're not the worst. There are a couple on FR ahead of you. Which would make you #3.
Yea, we have lists as well. You're #1. Congrats.
The only caveat: KS Congress passed laws, which were signed by Gov. and withstood judicial challenges, outlying all late term abortion (aka after 22 weeks) except in cases of threat to mother's life, irreversible or irreparable harm to life or health of mother and signed by two different doctors (Tiller, of course would be one) in 1998.
In December of 2006, charges were brought against George Tiller by KS' only Attorney General not to have received campaign funds from George Tiller, the nation's largest late term abortionist ($5,000 each makes him also a very wealthy man)after courts examined totally redacted abortion records which showed either no cause given or single episode of anxiety or single episode "depressive activity."
These charges were immediately suspended by the KS' newest pro-choice, former Republican turned Democrat, Paul Morrison, who now claims that he has an assistant "reviewing" these charges.
Near the beginning of this thread, you express wonder that many conservatives regard abortion as a make or break issue. If you put yourself in our shoes, we shall be easier to understand. We believe that approximately 1.5 million utterly innocent human beings have been painfully and unjustly killed on average per year since Roe vs. Wade was imposed upon our country by a SCOTUS without much textual support in the Constitution which the justices claim to have been applying.
If you agreed with us, as you do not, that each abortion is an unjustifiable premeditated homicide and that more than 50 million have occurred in the US, what issue could possibly be more important?
If I am not mistaken, you and I and most folks here agree on many other issues like WOT, taxes, military, (probably) guns, etc. I favor continued Mexican immigration with or without papers as very few here do. There are probably more FReepers who favor the legality of abortion than agree with me on immigration.
I am very likely, nonetheless, to vote for the Republican candidate next year even if he disagrees with my very strong beliefs favoring the immigration. I don't believe that anyone who supports legal abortion is likely to be nominated. I also do not believe that Rudy Giuliani is the supporter of legal abortion that he is made out to be by many here. He is not as strong on the issue as Fred Thompson or as Duncan Hunter, but there seems to be a consensus among the GOP candidates that Roe vs. Wade should be eliminated by judicial appointments to SCOTUS. That would return the issue to the states where it belonged in the first place until hijacked by SCOTUS. Some states will outlaw abortion altogether. Some will restrict abortion in many ways. Others will allow abortions with few restrictions. After 34 years of Roe vs. Wade, those who favor abortion being legal cannot very well complain that they do not have advantages in the way of the status quo.
Abortion is unquestionably my most important issue. Whether you choose to name your most important issue here or not, you probably have one. I would find it likely that whomever I would support would probably also be a candidate that you would support on your most important issue whatever it may be, unless abortion is your most important issue which seems unlikely. The GOP has a consensus on guns, a reasonable consensus on taxes and spending, a consensus on "gay marriage," a consensus (however imperfect) on federalism, a consensus on supporting the military, opposing crime and fighting the Islamofascisti and on many other issues.
Our coalition, based upon issues and principles, is neither uniform nor perfect but it will persist for the time being.
I honestly expect Rudy Giuliani to be Attorney General when the dust clears. He is, as some in New York might say, a wartime consiglieri. He will rehabilitate and employ Bernie Kerik, who was Giuliani's single most important and best appointment. I dare to say that Rudy, as the campaign moves along, will discover in himself many more pro-life qualities tied to his family heritage and the positions he took when being defeated for mayor in 1992. If he does not evolve, he will understand that he is part of an administration and he will cooperate as he expected his NYC subordinates to cooperate. That being said, he may become the best Attorney General we have ever witnessed.
In any event, people here are piling on you for sticking to your guns and legitimately asking your question. Though I disagree with you on the abortion issue, I have followed your posts on this and many other issues and want you to know that this pro-lifer respects and values you despite some differences.
I don;t think it's the most important issue, but I think a pocket of conservatives out there needs to know that a president at least agrees with them on this issue, even if he doesn't actually do much about it.
Don't ask me...
It's important because we place an extreme value on "life." We LOVE the concept of "life." Also, many of us have to stand before God one day at the "Judgment Seat Of Christ," and answer for our every action during our pilgrimage here on earth. He is not going to take kindly to many who professed His name and yet voted for those who would sanction the murder of an innocent child. A very good reason indeed to place great emphasis on this issue. How a man or woman feels about the murder of an innocent child, reveals a great deal about their character to those who "know the truth."
I did some digging into the Senate votes related to McCain-Feingold (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_107_1.htm).
Thompson did vote for it, which is troubling, despite his recent change of heart. That said, if you look at the votes, you'll see that he was not in lockstep with McCain on this. His vote differed from McCain's on a number of different issues listed below.
Most notably, Thompson introduced an amendment to raise hard money limits and index those limits to inflation. He specifically made the point that individual contributions = free speech. McCain voted to kill Thompson's amendment before it reached the floor. However, the amendment did get to the floor, and it passed.
This doesn't in my mind mitigate Thompson's vote in favor of CFR, but it does show that he had concerns about it even then and in many ways did not agree with McCain's approach. I do think this lends credence to his recent repudiation of the bill.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00037
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00038
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00046
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00047
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00049
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00053 (this was Thompson's amendment to increase hard money contributions -- McCain voted to kill it)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r107:1:./temp/~r107Kv5YyZ:e0 (here is the discussion where Thompson calls individual contributions free speech)
:http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00054
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00055 (this is the final vote on Thompson's successful amendment to increase hard money limits. McCain ultimately ended up supporting it, although he tried to kill it before it reached a floor vote)
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00056
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