.."JOURNEY from the FALL".. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..

.."JOURNEY from the FALL".. Website ^

[BIGLOOK]

Doubtful it'll show in any theater over here.....and that includes the University theater, sadly. But somewhere there will be a DVD to purchase and I'll be looking for it.

Aloha Dita!
Thanks for the heads up.

Aloha Ronnie!

If the Lao Dong Party doesn't like this movie, it must be good. Sat Cong!

[La Enchiladita]

Aloha, BigLook...Doubtful it'll show in any theater over here.....Da kine, eh?!

Searching the listings here on the left coast, mainland...it's playing about 50 miles south of me.

[RVN Airplane Driver]

Thanks for the ping....what a disgrace then....and it appears that this generation of traitors disguised as congress critters is trying to do the same.

[smoothsailing]

I just viewed the trailer at the website link.

http://www.journeyfromthefall.com/TrailerLarge.aspx(Requires Quicktime Player-takes about 2 minutes for download.)

It is powerful, just a hint of the power of the movie itself, I'm sure.

[DakotaRed]

I was still in the Army as Saigon fell. We were sitting on our duffle bags in Ft. Bragg waiting for orders that never came.

The lady that cuts my hair was one of the 'Boat People,' left Viet Nam when she was 14 and still cringes at memories of what she calls the "bad times."

I have tried to get some Vietnamese refugees to write stories of their escapes, what Viet Nam was like after the fall of Saigon, and relate them to today.

I guess the memories are too painful for them, but theirs is a story that needs told and told now!

[R. Scott]

Liberals seem to like death and destruction. It’s happening again.

[La Enchiladita]

Liberals seem to like death and destruction.

So they do.

It’s happening again.

And so it is.

[La Enchiladita]

About 10 years ago or so, I worked with 2 sisters and a brother who were Vietnam refugees. One night, during a break at work, the eldest sister related some hair-raising stories to me.

The children were able to get out of the country but not the parents. They were transported and somehow ended up in the Netherlands, sleeping in a field. They had no money, did not know what to do. I don't recall how they made it finally to America, but they did.

They lived together here in SoCal, and everyone worked at least 2 jobs, maybe 3 in some cases. They were saving for the day they could bring their mother to visit. Travel was still very restricted at that time. They did not want to go back. She did not want to live here.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[KeyLargo]

VIETNAM VETERANS FOR ACADEMIC REFORM

The University of Kansas Student Auxiliary

The point:

"We know the media lied about Vietnam to further the goals of the leftist anti-war movement. We know Dan Rather and others lied about Bush to help the Democrats in 2004. Is it lying again to further an agenda of defeating the Republicans and getting the U.S. to abandon Iraq?"
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Read the article at:http://www.v-v-a-r.org/

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Protestors Wrong on Vietnam Then and on Iraq Now, Group Says
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
March 14, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - When thousands of people gather in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to protest the war in Iraq, a group of Vietnam veterans hopes to take advantage of what it sees as an "unprecedented opportunity" to expose "the massive lies told by the war protesters of the '60s" that are being used again today.

Leonard Magruder, president of Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform (VVAR), would like to see Vietnam veterans distribute fliers during the demonstration with "documented facts that show how the war protestors of the '60s lied, and by recycling the same arguments again on March 17, will be lying again."

"Holding onto and perpetuating myths has too great a potential for creating another lethal, paralyzing polarization," Magruder argued in a letter this week. "We cannot win the war against terror with the campus building towards a polarization that could again paralyze a national effort."

The VVAR president cited the Vietnam Veterans Against the War website, which says: "The 58,000 U.S. soldiers who lost their lives in Vietnam and the millions of Vietnamese who were killed, died in a criminal war. The connection between Vietnam and Iraq could not be more clear. Iraq is also a criminal war of aggression."

"There they are again! Those toothless old hags of the protests of the '60s: 'criminal,' 'aggression,'" Magruder declared. "You can hurl these charges back in their faces on March 17 by handing out copies" of articles available at the VVAR website.

One document Magruder points to, called "Vietnam and the Media," provides "documentation from 21 standard histories and commentaries on the Vietnam War on how the media transformed a strategic American victory into a defeat, betraying the war effort."

"It's time the nation realize who the true 'criminals' are: the ones who betrayed Southeast Asia to tyranny and genocide," Magruder said.

Though not a Vietnam veteran himself, Magruder has been dealing with the fallout of the war for more than 25 years. He vividly recalls discussing the Vietnam War with students as a psychology professor in Long Island in 1981.

At the end of the semester, Magruder asked his pupils whether war had been just or "immoral," as war protestors had argued. To his surprise, 85 percent of the students said Vietnam had been a just war.

"Puzzled as to why the students of the 80's could see the truth so clearly, that there was nothing 'immoral' about defending South Vietnam against Communist aggression, while the students of the 60's could not, the students concluded that faculties, to serve their own largely leftist and Marxist ideologies, had misinformed their students, who in turn used the misinformation to serve their own purposes, primarily to avoid the draft," he said.

Magruder decided to resign from the university and join with local veterans to help found the VVAR.

'Facts are facts'

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, several veterans' organizations announced that they will be present during the March 17 protests to protect memorials from being damaged after an anti-war protest on Jan. 27 left steps and pavement outside the U.S. Capitol spray-painted with anarchist symbols.

In addition, the "These Colors Don't Run" caravan led by the conservative group Move America Forward is taking an eight-day, 3,500-mile trip to arrive in Washington, D.C., in time to counter the anti-war protests, which coincide with the fourth anniversary of the launch of the Iraq war.

John Zutz, a national officer with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, told Cybercast News Service that the VVAR "can do whatever they want. They can say whatever they want. If they want to 'Swift Boat' it, let them. The facts are the facts."

The massacre of My Lai "is a fact. It happened," Zutz said. The execution of Vietnamese civilians by a U.S. Army unit called Tiger Force "was a fact. That happened for more than a year. The U.S. committed atrocities. Oh sure, the Vietnamese did, too, but that's what war is about.

"Innocent people get killed in war, and they're getting killed in Iraq today," he added. "Abu Ghraib is a fact. Guantanamo Bay is a fact. You can't argue with those."

Nevertheless, Zutz said neither he nor most of the Vietnam veterans he knows will take part in the march in D.C., because they will instead be holding their own peace march and rally at Fort Bragg in Fayette, N.C.

When scheduling the protest in Washington, D.C., the activists at International A.N.S.W.E.R. "didn't bother to ask us if we had anything going on that weekend," he noted. "We do."

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[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"The Americans have broken their promise. They have left us."
(Long Nguyen, South Vietnamese resistance fighter)

for all who LOVE Freedom.

For this time around,

...History must NOT be repeated.

[RaceBannon]

Refuges my ship picked p in 1981:

[PzLdr]

Same traitors. Just older.

[doorgunner69]

Thanks for the ping 'dita, might have missed it on a weekend. Agree with Biglook, Hawaii will probably boycott the movie. Will be looking.

[ThanhPhero]

In Viet Nam you would be surprised at the attitudes of the old VCs you might meet. I heard things like,"Why did you leave us with these people?" " Why did you leave? we couldn't fight you." "I came from a rice village in the north and knew nothing. I fought the evil foreigner for 10 years before I learned I was fighting on the side of the real foreigners against our people." in Viet Nam "Vi Si" (VeeCee) is the universal word for government people.It is spoken with some bitterness. The Vietnamese, like the Koreans, are genetically small businessmen and have a natural affinity for America and Americans.

[ThanhPhero]

The diaspora has had one, perhaps unexpected, effect on the Viet Kieu, at least in the couple of communities with which I am familiar. The Chinese population, which did not run so much as it was pushed out, and the Kinh (ethnic Viets) are thoroughly mixed and all are Vietnamese now. Before 1975, the two groups were almost entirely separate and despised one another. There was little intermarriage. Their children and grandchildren here seem to have erased the distinctions with their parents' blessing. 20 years ago the Chinese refugees were reluctant to speak of their heritage but now it is as big a deal as us saying our forebears were Irish or Italian. And the attitude has changed in Viet Nam, also. It is like they all went through the fire together.

For a really fine vacation, go to Viet Nam. Take a tour or two then walk about for a few days in one of the smaller cities like Nha Trang or Phan Thiet and talk to anyone who would talk to you. Many have enough English that you can talk. It is all a tremendous ego boost, especially when you realize it is not just hype and the Dollar. When you get away from Sai Gon and the tourist industry you find that the people think America is the Promised Land and Americans are the Reason Why.

[BIGLOOK]

I've heard from reputable sources that following the Fall of Saigon and the flight of Thieu, that the remaining Viet Cong were rounded up, disarmed and sent to reeducation camps along with the rest of the general population in SVN. The Lao Dong party ordered the NVA to neutralize the VC as a preventative measure stifling dissent, armed dissent.

With 'giac My' gone, the Lao Dong hedged their position.

[ThanhPhero]

My observations about old VCs applies equally well to old NVAs. Old ARVNs and old VCs are sometimes still a little stiff with each other, though.
That was the real surprise to me when I went back in 03. I am going back again in May. There is a high school graduation that I promised to attend. I wish I could afford go back every year or just stay.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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You're going to bring so very much to and from "JOURNEY from the FALL" ..so very much, RaceBannon.

Thank you for being these massively suffering people's first light of hope back in 1981.

Pray for Freedom's return to Vietnam soonest, please.


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[zot]

Thanks for the ping.