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.."JOURNEY from the FALL".. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..
.."JOURNEY from the FALL".. Website ^

Posted on 03/24/2007 4:59:00 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE

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To: Intolerant in NJ

"...the loud-mouths of the Boomer generation..."

Just remember that the majority of the names on that long black wall also belong to Boomers. Many more thousands of us served who were fortunate enough to come home, but all of us left a little something of ourselves behind.
Making blanket statements blaming the baby boom generation for all the ills of the sixties insults and offend a great many fine and patriotic Americans. Please remember, our congress at that time was made up mostly of people of our parents' generation. There is plenty of blame to go around.


41 posted on 03/25/2007 7:23:21 PM PDT by beelzepug (...making a sound like Lurch)
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To: beelzepug
Making blanket statements blaming the baby boom generation for all the ills of the sixties insults and offend a great many fine and patriotic Americans...it wasn't a blanket statement about the Boomer generation - that's why I specified "loud-mouths of that generation" - I served during Vietnam too and reserve the right to lay the blame for the tragedies of that war where I think it belongs......
42 posted on 03/25/2007 8:25:22 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 03/25/2007 8:34:46 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Intolerant in NJ

"...which gets so much of its sense of its own moral superiority from its anti-war activities..."

As your sentence continued. Had you said "their sense", I would have understood you to mean just the loudmouthes. By saying "its sense", I took it to mean the whole generation.
You can reserve the right to blame the Pope or Bob Hope for all I care. You just ought to try to make yourself a little more clear. Some of us get a little touchy about stuff like that. I'm one of them.


44 posted on 03/25/2007 11:37:21 PM PDT by beelzepug (...making a sound like Lurch)
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To: DakotaRed

I see you're from Washington too. The gal (Kim) that cuts my hair on the Eastside is also a refugee from Vietnam. I would like to assume it is the same person, but sad to say I'm sure there are countless people with similar stories. I relate her story whenever some liberal bemoans how "Iraq is just a wortheless war like Vietnam".

After the North took over her Dad was taken down to the police station for questioning. Five years later they were told he was alive and at a re-education camp. The following year they were able to make visits when they could afford it. I think it was nine years total that he spent at the camp.

She remembers getting one small scoop of rice a day. Her older brothers got more because they had to work. Her baby sister died from starvation. She and her mom would spend the days begging.

And the same will happen in Iraq I fear. The hatred of Bush is obvious and similar in scope and style to the hate of Nixon. The Watergate style investigations have begun as I said they would (although obviously more scattered and hoping that SOMETHING will stick at some point or other).

The funding battles for the war are beginning. And just like Vietnam, we will have them on the road to recovery and strength (South Vietnam had some good victories as I recall AFTER we had left), and then we will yank the rug out from underneath them.

The only trouble is, it won't be boat people coming to our shores to work hard at being productive citizens, it will be terrorists working hard to destroy us.


45 posted on 03/26/2007 12:08:16 AM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
It's interesting for me to watch people take information from today and use it to flog decisions made 40 years in the past. Then again, it's also laughable to compare the situation in 2008 Iraq to the situation in 1968 Vietnam. Or 1968 America with 2008 America.

Old men will always re-fight old wars, I guess.

46 posted on 03/26/2007 12:18:59 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: geopyg

I'm down South in Vancouver. The lady I'm talking about goes by the name 'Kathy,' now. She has 3 sons and I believe 2 daughters. Of the sons, two are in the Military, one been to Iraq and the other studying medicine. The other is still in school as are her daughters.

She also said she saw rapes of small girls and death from starvation in the camps.

I have written both Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell, as well as Brian Baird, asking them to meet with and discuss what these refugees went through before they ever cast any vote on withdrawal dates. All I ever received back from either Murray or Baird were simple form letter style emails informing me of their opposition. Cantwell has never replied at all.

If the Democrats succeed, what these people endured will look like child's play with what comes our way afterwards.


47 posted on 03/26/2007 12:28:23 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: Zeroisanumber
Old men will always re-fight old wars, I guess.

No, us "old men" are trying desperately to stop history from repeating itself, but in an even much worse fashion than it did before.

You would do well to seek out some Vietnamese refugees yourself and inquire what they went through after our Democrat led Congress of the time forced us to abandon them in their hour of need.

48 posted on 03/26/2007 12:31:58 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: DakotaRed
No, us "old men" are trying desperately to stop history from repeating itself, but in an even much worse fashion than it did before.

The only people who can stop that are generally a lot younger than you are and fighting over in Iraq. The war has been so badly mishandled at this point that only the memory of 9/11 and an understanding that leaving is somewhat worse than staying has kept the public in it this long. Even so, it's cost us as Americans the lives of thousands of our best and brightest, about 30-40% of our hardware, and billions of dollars. As conservatives, it's cost us Congress, our party unity, and will likely cost us the 2008 election.

And now, out of context and 40 years after the fact, I'm hearing about the Tet Offensive? What does the Tet Offensive have to do with Iraq? I start hearing about it and about how much all you all hate Walter Cronkite and I can't help but think that your eyes aren't on this war, but on a previous one.

You would do well to seek out some Vietnamese refugees yourself and inquire what they went through after our Democrat led Congress of the time forced us to abandon them in their hour of need.

I'm originally from Minnesota, and took advantage of the opportunity to speak to many Hmong who were veterans of the CIA's war in Laos.

49 posted on 03/26/2007 1:09:38 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Zeroisanumber
I'm hearing about the Tet Offensive? What does the Tet Offensive have to do with Iraq?

Like I said, history repeating itself.

After their defeat in the Tet of '68 Offensive," reports have stated that General Vo Ngyuen Giap was considering negotiating a surrender. He heard Walter Cronkite's news broadcast that we weren't winning after all and saw the unrest in America. Instead of surrender and ending the fighting, he changed his tactics and started targeting Americans more than he was.

Declassified KGB documents show that even they fed the anti-war left propaganda and lies, convincing them we were losing and committing heinous crimes.

North Vietnamese have now said that the anti-war left were "essential" to their victory.

Looking at today's media and resurgence of anti-war lefties, we see the same thing happening.

That is the history we are trying to stop from repeating itself.

50 posted on 03/26/2007 7:05:40 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: All; DakotaRed

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NEVER FORGET



.."JOURNEY from the FALL"..


...premieres in San Francisco, California:

http://www.vietbao.com/?ppid=45&pid=5&nid=104922

(Little Saigon's Viet-Bao Newspaper Photos/Article)



NEVER FORGET

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51 posted on 03/26/2007 7:56:23 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Al Gator

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NEVER ever FORGET


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52 posted on 03/28/2007 8:02:47 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; DakotaRed

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COURAGE =


BUSH renews promise to veto legislation with troop withdrawal deadline

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1809087/posts

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53 posted on 03/29/2007 10:55:26 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; fatima; ExTexasRedhead; reformjoy; Alamo-Girl

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NEVER FORGET


Attention Congress:


.."JOURNEY from the FALL"..


...is now playing in the Washington, D.C. area at a theater near you:

http://www.nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=56765


NEVER FORGET

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54 posted on 03/31/2007 3:05:48 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Bump!


55 posted on 03/31/2007 4:08:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Not a dry eye after the movie ended!!! Gosh...


56 posted on 03/31/2007 6:30:43 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Toidylop

As it should be.


57 posted on 03/31/2007 9:38:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

With the exception of Sam Johnson (Texas), I doubt if there is a politician in DC that has the guts to see this movie. They prefer to pretend that we have no enemies and that their actions have no consequences. I give you Nancy Pelosi as the prime example of a politician who could care less about what her words and actions mean to our military or our nation. The name of their game is POWER at all costs.


58 posted on 04/01/2007 7:39:14 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Alamo-Girl; All

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a .."JOURNEY from the FALL".. in Washington, D.C. Bump..

Congress now has NO excuse.

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59 posted on 04/01/2007 11:53:26 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Volley bump!


60 posted on 04/01/2007 8:21:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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