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Florida: City to Seize Homes Over a $5 Parking Ticket
the newspaper.com ^ | March 22, 2007

Posted on 03/23/2007 8:04:40 PM PDT by Founding Father

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To: Founding Father
Wow!! One more reason not to move back to Florida, ever!

Getting a bit GREEDY, aren't they? Taking your house for a parking ticket?!!?!?

42 posted on 03/24/2007 2:27:19 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: pbmaltzman
If you park in a public garage, you pay. If you buy a newspaper, you pay. If you get your hair cut, you pay.

So, if you get a parking ticket for something you did illegally, you don't want to pay? To me it's simple, just pay your bills and no one will bother you. That's all.

43 posted on 03/24/2007 2:39:55 AM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: Founding Father

This is a hoax, right?


44 posted on 03/24/2007 3:43:12 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: kylaka

You need to stay away from there! When I lived in North NJ I parked my car in NYC and went into a store - I came out 15 minutes later and the car was gone; a bystander said they saw it being towed. You're probably familiar with this, but the City of NY had a "No parking on the left side of the street Mon, Wed, Fri" and "No parking on the ride side of the street Tues, Thurs." My car was on the wrong side of the street when a towtruck went by ... as I remember it was something like $125 impound fee and $40 parking ticket ... absolutely preposterous! When I was in line to reclaim my car, the guy ahead of me had just come from Ohio with his family and parked his car on the street - all his wordly goods were in the car ... he was very upset. Parking tickets are a racket where ever you go.


45 posted on 03/24/2007 3:44:11 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Founding Father
Sounds like a good place to stay away from.

Carolyn

46 posted on 03/24/2007 3:48:27 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Founding Father

No pity here. The morons of that town VOTED these drooling crooks into office.

Reap it.


47 posted on 03/24/2007 3:51:08 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: FlJoePa

Brooksville is near Weeki Wachee springs. Used to love to go there and watch the mermaids.


48 posted on 03/24/2007 3:55:05 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: tenthirteen
So, if you get a parking ticket for something you did illegally, you don't want to pay? To me it's simple, just pay your bills and no one will bother you. That's all.

If you believe that taking a man's $500,000 home after he is 90 days late paying a $20 ticket is just and fair, you are insane.

If you want to appeal, you have to pay $250 just for the option, and a city employee decides if your appeal is valid?

This whole thing is a racket.

49 posted on 03/24/2007 4:16:18 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: mc5cents

manatees???


50 posted on 03/24/2007 4:50:26 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Nailbiter
manatees???

No mermaids. Really. They would have these good looking chicks dressed as mermaids swim around under the water and do a sort of water ballet while sucking air from a tube. It was cool. And none of them resembled the sea cow! I assure you. Don't know if that is still there. This was a long time ago.

51 posted on 03/24/2007 5:22:09 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: mc5cents

I was in that area last year, remember we went to two parks. One with Manatees, another was somekind of rolloing tour. Memory aint what she used to be. LOL


52 posted on 03/24/2007 5:32:49 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Ken522

Ah, little local bureaucratic Nazis. The germ from which big, famous, Washington D.C. bureaucratic Nazis grow.

And I *do* mean germ.


53 posted on 03/24/2007 5:32:56 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: Founding Father

If someone tried to take everything I had built up over years of hard sweat over a pissant $5 ticket I would greet them with a charge of 00 shot.


54 posted on 03/24/2007 5:41:29 AM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: Founding Father

Fascism didn't die with Mussolini. It continues in Florida. Governments have too much power. They use their power wrongly. They should use their power to protect innocent citizens from murder, rape, theft and terrorism.


55 posted on 03/24/2007 5:52:47 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (fascism in any form is wrong)
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To: Founding Father

I propose that the city council in Brooksville, Florida, be deported to Zimbabwe


56 posted on 03/24/2007 5:53:04 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts)
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To: Founding Father

Some local governments in Florida have become very abusive. There is a recent case in Panama City where people were fined more than the value they'd recently paid for their lot because the city said that they'd illegally cut down some trees. The fine was eventually reduced, but it's still about half the amount they paid for their property. It was a big news story down here.


57 posted on 03/24/2007 5:57:10 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Ken522

People should just paying their tickets. How hard is that? They were wrong to park illegally, knew they were, and decided not to pay. I have been there, parked illegally a few times, got caught, but I paid the ticket. This city should never have had to come to this if people would be responsible in paying for their tickets.


58 posted on 03/24/2007 6:00:57 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: PAR35
If the story is correct, there are some due process issues floating around. The city attorney may want to start reading Chapter 9 of title 11 of the U.S. Code.

Agreed, but the states do it all the time with tax liens. If you know what you are doing though, you can fight it.

It is not widely known, but it is a matter of law in most states that a lien must be perfected by a court of competent jurisdicition before it is valid and enforcible. This means a trial which would cost the state money, not to mention any request for a trail by jury. Thats a lot more hassle than the states want to go through to collect their money. They would just rather send you a demand to pay and get right to placing a lien on your property.

For example, in the case of a tax lien for failure to pay state income taxes, the state tax commissioner declares that the money is owed, send a couple notices to create a debt, and then files what is called a precipie with the county court where the real property is located. The county court then files the lien. Most people roll over and play dead and either pay the money or, in some cases, lose their property.

Through my own study, I out found that the whole process is sham and successfully defended myself twice on a state tax lien and had it removed. No, I'm not a deadbeat. I purposefully did not pay all of my state income tax on two different occasisons just to test my theory. It took about 4 years for each torun its course before I was able to get into court. I buried them in filings and paper work. Both times I won and the attorneys for the state of Ohio learned to hate me.

The bottom line is a lien can only be perfected in a court of competent jurisdiction, like a civil or common pleas court. The tax commissioner is not, and can not act as a judge or jury. His office is what is known as a quasi judicial forum; not a court of competent jurisdiction. He does not have the lawful authority to place a lien.

Only a real court can after a trial, which also could include a jury. That's way too much hassle for the state so they choose to do it unlawfully and beat people who don't know into submmision. Obviously they were concerned that the word would get out so they first tried to railroad me in an administrative court until I called them on it and a appealed to the common please court. I won twice and had both liens removed. Same thing will probably be true for this city. People need to fight it and shoe them how they must also obey the law.

59 posted on 03/24/2007 6:02:23 AM PDT by suijuris
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To: Founding Father
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. "

Cheers!

60 posted on 03/24/2007 6:06:41 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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