UFOs flew over Phoenix in '97, Symington says

ARIZONA DAILY STAR ^ | 3/23/07 | Tom Beal

[Pro-Bush]

The Arizona Daily Star Published: 03.23.2007

UFOs flew over Phoenix in '97, Symington says By Tom Beal ARIZONA DAILY STAR

"The universe is a big place, and we're conceited to think we're alone." Fife Symington, former Ariz. governor Former Gov. Fife Symington says now that those strange lights that appeared over Phoenix a decade ago were from another world and that he had a close encounter with an alien craft on March 13, 1997.

"I'm a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I've ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people," Symington said Thursday. "I don't know why people would ridicule it."

Symington, who was in his second term as governor of Arizona during the Phoenix Lights incident, recently told a UFO investigator making a documentary that he had kept quiet about his personal close encounter because he didn't want to panic the populace. He repeated his story Thursday on CNN, saying the craft he saw was "enormous. It just felt other-worldly. In your gut, you could just tell it was other-worldly."

[AlexW]

"Wrong as rain" ???

"Right as rain" is a well known idiom, but your the first to come up with "wrong as rain" I guess it is an ET thing :)

[Quix]

from:

http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2006/09/eye-witness-mike-fortsons-original.html

[illustration at link]

As I pulled the window closed, my eyes were attracted to the three huge, bright white lights angled down and very low to the ground. "Plane crash!" I thought. These lights were way too low and angled in a way nothing I know of could pull out of.

. . .

Standing at the edge of our patio, facing west, and looking north, confussion struck me. For there was no plane crash, but coming from the north and heading south was one, single structure that looked like a giant boomerang. (the description of boomerang, chevron (best), and V shaped object all apply). This object stuck out like a sore thumb in the evening sky due to the fact we were looking north towards the Phoenix metro area, and the city lights gave us a grey background in which to view this huge black V shaped object. It was so low to the surface we could not believe it. I remember saying, "what the hell is that?"

The huge V shaped craft was moving slowly to the south. At this point, still northwest of us, we both saw a 737 in landing approach pass over the object. The plane was coming in from the west heading east. The V shaped craft was heading south from the north. As the 737 passed over the V shaped object, I said, "did you see that! Why didn't the plane get the hell out of there?" But it didn't. The pilot nor the planes computers saw nothing. (Just like the radars at Sky Harbor and Luke AFB. Nothing was detected.)

I would like to explain more on this incident. We live app. 23 miles ESE of Sky Harbor in Phoenix. Planes coming in to land (most of the time) will come out by us, bank to the north (left), proceed for app. 10-12 miles, bank left again (west) and land at Sky Harbor. This is normal landing pattern. I have talked to airline pilots, tower operators, and investigators about the altitude of planes coming in to land at Sky Harbor, at the point of the first bank north where we live. The altitude..1200'. The massive V shaped craft we saw was under 1200' altitude!

As the huge V shaped craft proceeded south, it was almost in front of us, when my eyes followed the left wing to it's end. We live 1/2 mile south of Chandler Blvd. The end of the wing was well past that and at least half way to Ray Rd. (1 1/2 miles north!) I remember saying to my wife, "that [SOB] is a mile long! As it passed in front of us all we could see is the left wing. That's how low it was. At arm's length the object was at least 30"+ long. I reported it was app. 1 1/2 mile west of us, going down Alma School Rd. But the closest part of the huge V, the end of the left wing was much closer. Maybe within a 1/2 mile. One thing that I remember the most is how this craft "floated" app. 30-40 mph. There was no visual means of propulsion and absolutely no noise. The altitude and speed of the craft never changed.

On March 13, 1997, at app.8:31 pm mst., there was a bright bottom quarter moon setting in the western horizon. I said to the wife, "we're gonna get more detail, look, it's going right into the light of the moon." But instead of greater detail of this huge V shaped craft, what we saw still amazes us. As the front of the V shaped craft entered the light of the moon, this black chevron shaped object became translucent in bright light! We could still see the bottom quarter moon thru the object, but instead of bright white, it (moon) was a dingy yellow. As the V shaped craft exited the bright moon, it became a solid black object again. We watched as the entire craft passed thru this. Seeing a solid object going into and coming out of, was black. But as the craft passed between us and the bright, white moon, it was translucent.

(Something about bright objects...witnesses who had this pass over their heads claim that as the craft passed between bright stars, it was like looking thru...water)

By the time the end (left wing still) was passing thru the light of the moon, the front of the craft was disappearing into the night sky to our south. It never changed course, speed, or altitude. Just faded off into the night sky to the south of us.

During the whole sighting we never moved our feet. We never considered getting a camera. We never thought of yelling for a neighbor. There was no question in our minds that what we saw was not of this Earth. Our total sighting was app. 1 minute and 45 seconds.


See Also:The Non-Investigation of the Phoenix Lights- My View

http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2006/08/exclusivethe-non-investigation-of.html

[Quix]

frm;

http://ufos.about.com/od/visualproofphotosvideo/a/phoenixlights_3.htm

From Billy Booth,
Your Guide to UFOs / Aliens.

Between 9:00 and 9:30 PM on the 13th, one extraordinary description was made by a family in Mesa. They said that an enormous craft with a distinctive structure flew over their area. They described a triangle-shaped object with lights at three corners, and another larger light in its center. Amazingly, they could clearly see panels on the craft which were in a grid pattern.

There were also, about this same time, several reports of two round objects which seemed to detach from the larger "V" shaped object, only to later rejoin the mother-ship. One witness described the "V" shaped mother-ship dividing itself into two separate craft as it moved toward the city of Tucson.

Another dramatic description of the mothership was made by a group of real estate agents who had subdivided property over the north part of Phoenix. They would also get a close-up view of the gigantic disc. They estimated the craft to be a staggering two miles wide as it flew at a low altitude near Phoenix. They could see dozens of bright lights along the leading edges, and also a row of windows with "silhouettes of people." It also seems highly probably that for some reason, the giant craft turned off its lights, as observers could see only the windows with what appeared to be people shadowed in the glow of the inside. Another family got a brightly lit view of the unknown object, and described its color as "flat blue-black, like the color of a shotgun barrel."

Among the most reliable witnesses of the craft's movements that first night were two airplane pilots, one retired from an airline, and another from Vietnam, who was also a U. S. Marshall. Though seeing the object at different times and places, both men described a craft of "immense size," measuring up to a mile long. The Marshall could also see the city lights of Phoenix reflecting from the bottom of the massive object, while it "blocked out the stars."

One of the pilots also videotaped the UFO, but had the tape confiscated in a "men in black" encounter. In a completely separate incident, a group of witnesses had reported a "huge discoid" craft which was "larger than Sun Devil Stadium at Arizona State University." This object was hovering just above tree tops at the west end of Sky Harbor runway between 2:00 and 3:00 AM about two weeks prior to March 13.

[Quix]

I enjoy jangling sensibilities by switching things around sometimes.

[fanfan]

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[Vinnie]

Photos, I want photos ( of course photos could be Photoshopped)
Why no photos? If I saw something like that cruising slowly overhead I'd run for the digital camera. Then start calling friends.

[Mr. K]

yes, and those stupid 'orbs' that people are always fawning about.. they are merely reflections of the bright flash from the camera on a floating speck of dust.


And I do believe in UFO's i just hate it when we are made to look stupid...

[fanfan]

I'm reading Supernatural by Graham Hancock.

I'm only about 1/2 way through, but he's making a good case for today's UFO sightings relating to yesterday's Fairy sightings.

[b_sharp]

"I wish I could believe that IQ was everything. However, I've had the experience of knowing people with very high IQs who didn't make good use of their intelligence, or who thought IQ counted for everything and effort wasn't important, or who had high IQs but no clue about actual life skills or acceptable social interaction. If it were all just about IQ I would be impressed.

I'm in constant contact with people of IQs ranging from just above normal to 180. Within that bunch I find a range of talents, ideas and skills, each with their own value as a friend, none more important than any other.

I started poking Quix because he jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and made this about his putative intelligence. I really don't care what his IQ is, missing the meaning of a post has as much to do with bias and preconceived ideas as it does about IQ. If he wants to make it about his arrogant attitude then I am happy to poke him with a stick.

"Sometimes the best thing that can happen to us is to have an average IQ, an above average desire to achieve by working hard, and putting little or no emphasis on the IQ numbers and a lot of emphasis on a good, old-fashioned work ethic.

Sometimes being intelligent makes you lazy.

[Quix]

Quite a number of Christian authors insist that even the craft are nothing more than materialized demons.

I don't believe that.

I believe that the ET critters et al are in cahoots with satan toward setting up the world government and are likely fallen angels/evil WATCHERS in Biblical & ENOCH terms.

But there are nuts and bolt craft that my relative worked around. And ET's taught us how to build them.

[Quix]

I can believe that SOME craft might be some sort of spiritual entity.

And, that some can come and go from a spiritual dimension--materializing and dematerializing.

And, I don't know what's going on when craft split apart into several smaller craft or merge back togehter as a larger craft.

But I just can't buy that 100% OF ALL CRAFT are 100% only materialized demons. Just doesn't fit all the data.

[Quix]

Seems to me you enjoyed poking with a stick out of meanness before I ever mentioned IQ. I might be mistaking you with someone else but I think you were happy to join in early.

Gets wearying on these threads. Go soil someone else's sand box.

[fanfan]

I couldn't explain it properly, so I Googled a review of his book.

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In fact, Supernatural virtually becomes a comparative mythology investigation, with the subjects being shamanic voyages, fairy folklore and alien abduction reports.
Time after time, Hancock presents stunning evidence to show that these are all part of a single phenomenon.

Furthermore, in part four of the book he ties in DMT, the DNA element of shamanic visions (as explored by Narby, Harner and others), and the idea that information encoded within our ‘Junk DNA’ may be facilitating our ‘education’, by either advanced alien civilisations or entities from parallel/spiritual dimensions.

Lastly, like a prodigal son returning to his roots, he discusses how this may relate to art and religion in ancient civilisations, specifically the Egyptians and Mayans.

[Quix]

There's some reliable research on the orbs.

Many are not as you assert.

Some have been photographed during the making of crop circles.

Some experts have asserted that they are pilotless sensor loaded things from ET craft. Some say we even have such.

[Quix]

There are photos.

But most folks were transfixed by what they were observing and getting pics was not a priority. Also, tech then was not as good as it is now. And the black bluish grey gunmetal color against a smoggy light diffused or simply black sky does not produce a lot of great shots.

But, check out the links on the AZTEC thread. I posted a list of links on which some have tolerable photos and certainly good illustrations.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1806377/posts?page=39#39

[auto power]

Here's how I approach this mystery: if anyone can prove to me that UFO's don't exist....I'm willing to keep an open mind....

[Quix]

There's certainly plenty of justification for linking all those things, imho.

Thanks much.

Sounds like a worthy read.

ALIEN ENCOUNTER BY CHUCK MISSLER is similar, I think.

REading that now.

[fanfan]

ALIEN ENCOUNTER BY CHUCK MISSLER

Thanks Quix.

I'll check it out.

[Mr. K]

re: orbs

if you dont see it, but it shows up when you use a flash in the dark, then it is a speck of dust floating somewhere within a few inches of the camera, and you are seeing the reflection of the flash, or a moth or insect.

[rwfromkansas]

Yeah, they hover....

idiot.