Posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
...We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.
As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.
.... What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.
... The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government.
... They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.
If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.
(Excerpt) Read more at query.nytimes.com ...
The Constitution is the ONLY supreme law of the land...now,show me where the supreme law of the land instructs the President to obey the laws of God.
Until such a time as you actually do that, I will no longer respond to you.
"I want you to explain your first post on this thread."
I have. REPEATEDLY.
I don't know why you don't want to acknowledge it. Maybe you can't twist it properly.
BTW, I asked twice for you to do this:
"Show me in the constitution where we were instructed to "cede to lawful authority a GREAT DEAL of discretion about what you do"."
This will make the third time. I've asked. I've already answered your questions repeatedly. You haven't answered me at all.
And I keep telling you, there is a higher law than the Constitution. All of the great leaders of America knew this. That's why they were great leaders. All men are bound by the laws of God, but "to whom much is given, much will be required." The obligations that lie on the shoulders of those who are raised to high office are staggering.
Nixon supported gun control, Bush I supported gun control, as did Reagan.
The right rests with the Legislative branch, not with the Executive.
That's Civics 101.
When it comes to guns, elect the right people to Congress and don't worry about the Executive.
Is it immoral for the govt. to waste our tax dollars?
"...our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which in common with his fellow-citizens he has a natural right; that it tends only to corrupt the principles of that religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it." -- Thomas Jefferson, VIRGINIA STATUTE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
Yet another topic of no relevance to the discussion introduced by someone else.
"When it comes to guns, elect the right people to Congress and don't worry about the Executive."
You could use that same argument to vote for a liberal Dem, too.
Anarchy destroys freedom.
In fact, anarchy is the absolute lack of freedom, and it establishes the absolute, unfettered rule of the strongest.
"Yet another topic of no relevance to the discussion introduced by someone else.
OK, OK, I'll try to do better:
Are you lactose intolerant?
"Nixon supported gun control, Bush I supported gun control, as did Reagan. "
None of that negates rudy's support for gun control.
"The right rests with the Legislative branch, not with the Executive. "
And the president signs the bills. What are the chances of anti-gun rudy vetoing an anti-gun bill sent to him by congress?
"That's Civics 101. "
The president controls the executive branch. That includes the BATFE. The BATFE has immense power to ban certain arms and imports merely by administrative action. Did you know that?
"When it comes to guns, elect the right people to Congress and don't worry about the Executive. "
That's a eerily head in the sand type statement. The executive has a great deal of power in both pushing or opposing legislation via the 'bully pulpit'. He has the power to sign or veto. And he has power over the executive branch of government which handles enforcement of gun laws.
But according to you, we shouldn't worry about it. He has no real powers!
The Pledge of Allegiance, passed and amended by Congress, is also law of the Land.
As constituted since the 1950s, it expressly acknowledges God as final authority, while acknowledging in an implied manner the U.S. Constitution as founding/supreme ruling document.
Do you Pledge (aka vow/oath fealty/allegiance/loyalty to the United States of America using the only lawful oath?
Or do you disavow yourself?
It sounds like you have some appreciation for the Blessings of Liberty.
Where pledge ye your allegiance?
Duh...
Why don't you just admit that what Giuliani said sounds like the words of a fascist?
"But according to you, we shouldn't worry about it. He has no real powers!"
That seems to be the "logic" of the Rudybots.
I see you've been able to make this comment but haven't gotten around to answering my question "Show me in the constitution where we were instructed to "cede to lawful authority a GREAT DEAL of discretion about what you do"."
Fourth time. How long will it take you for you to answer?
Do you question everyone's allegiance in this forum, or just people with Hispanic surnames?
You might want to consider another thread. Your snake oil doesn't seem to be selling here.
As a little reminder of Civics 101 the President has veto authority. If the President is for gun control, and the congress passes laws extending gun control, is he likely to sign it or veto it? It's a rhetorical question.
I'm still waiting on an answer to my question. Was Julie regulating or prohibiting when he admitted to "using gun control?"
Nevermind. In the tone of cousin Vinny, I'm done with this guy.
The Constitutions of all Fifty States also acknowledge God and appeal to His Providence in their Preambles...the very pretext for all fifty documents.
They're all available for reading on my homepage.
please...don't put words in my mouth, then go on about disagreeing with something I never said.
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