Posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
...We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.
As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.
.... What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.
... The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government.
... They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.
If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.
(Excerpt) Read more at query.nytimes.com ...
GReat...show me where in the Constitution it instructs the President to honor the laws of God.
"The Constittion is the law of the land."
And the constitution does NOT cede a great deal of authority over people's everyday lives.
"show me where in the Constitution it instructs the President to honor the laws of God."
Show me in the constitution where we were instructed to "cede to lawful authority a GREAT DEAL of discretion about what you do".
I am actually arguing in favor of the laws of the land, and you people are arguing against them.
Laws without authority are meaningless.
Now, when are you going to get around to explaining what was wrong with what Rudy said...not with what you THINK Rudy said, bit with what he actually said.
""The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - Thomas Jefferson
"We can discuss whether he had the authority to regulate (a word found in the 2nd) guns as a mayor of a city, as opposed to acting as the President of the nation and being restricted by the Second Amendment from infringing on the RTKABA."
Heck, he called for more federal gun control law as well, so the rudyphile claim that was a "local issue" is laughable.
You don't think so?
Have you read your State's Constitution lately?
All true authority comes ultimately from God.
It has been recognized since time immemorial that maintaing order requires that people cede to lawful authority some of their descretion about what they do. Rudy's usage of the term "great deal" seems to demand a much broader concession of liberty.
Illustrate the place in the Constitutio where it instructs a president to abide by the laws of God.
As a matter of fact...show me where God is mentioned in the Constitution, other than in the date.
The topic was not about my state's constitution.
The topic was the founding of this country. That means the US constitution and the BOR, not the state constitutions.
Once again you try to change the subject when your weak arguments fail.
The topic is what Rudy said, and as an aside, the question of where in the Constitution it instructs the president to abide by the laws of God...put up or shut up.
"We can discuss whether he had the authority to regulate (a word found in the 2nd) guns as a mayor of a city, as opposed to acting as the President of the nation and being restricted by the Second Amendment from infringing on the RTKABA"
No problem so long as you admit that you understand the difference between regulate and prohibit. So when Julie was "using gun control," was he regulating or prohibiting?
That's like saying, "Show me how trees have leaves, except on their branches."
Actually I AGREE with you that there must be authority. It is noted in my previous posts, albeit not in those words.
Where we may differ is that in anarchy, individuals are sovereign but accountable to nobody else.
Back to my question about your support for our laws.
Are you in agreement with the de facto law of the Land?
"The topic is what Rudy said,"
Yet you keep changing it to different things whenever people poke holes in your arguments.
I wonder where those "blessings of liberty" they talked about in the preamble came from?
Did rudy travel back in time and bless us all with liberty?
A President is bound to honor the Constitution, not the laws of God.
And have already showed that the first four of them disagreed with you. Want more?
By the way, when they take their oath of office, they finish by saying, "So, help me God." George Washington added those words, which are still used to this day, with a hand laid on the Holy Bible.
Good point.
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