Posted on 03/22/2007 2:34:40 AM PDT by FairOpinion
They have won only one in five of the last four presidential elections in Pennsylvania, losing the last four in a row to John Kerry, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton (twice).
The last Franklin & Marshall College Keystone Poll, for example, reports that either of the leading GOP candidates, Rudy Giuliani or John McCain, would beat either of the leading Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, if the election were today. Giuliani would beat Clinton by 17 points and Obama by 20 points. The surge for Giuliani fits Pennsylvania's tradition of electing moderates and centrists.
His current standing in a bellwether state like Pennsylvania offers important clues as to how Republicans might capture this and other key states of the northeast. Successful presidential candidates in such key states win four key groups: big city suburbs, Catholics, moderates, and independents. So how does Giuliani score with these groups in the latest Keystone Poll? He leads Hillary Clinton statewide (53 to 37 percent), and he defeats her in the Philadelphia suburbs handily (53 to 38 percent). Independents give him a 48 to 45 percent edge, and among moderates the lead is 52 to 36 percent. Rudy is also ahead among Catholic voters, 51 to 36 percent. He beats Obama even more impressively, by 52 to 32 percent statewide. His lead in the suburbs is 55 to 28 percent, and among Catholics, the margin is 54 to 30 percent. Independents give him a 51 to 33 percent lead, and moderates a 51 to 32 percent lead.
Republicans probably can't win Pennsylvania unless they nominate a moderate, and they may not be able to lose Pennsylvania if they do.
(Excerpt) Read more at mcall.com ...
The question is do Republicans/conservatives want to win, or spend 8 years crying during a Hillary presidency, supported by a Dem Congress, not to mention the activist judges she will nominate, and Dem Senate will confirm.
Rudy PING
They Pero'ed us once before and they're out to do it again.
Voter fraud has few states where it is less effective than Pennsylvania. The reason Dems win the national and state level elections is because of voter fraud in the cities. My own state of Michigan runs fairly close in that category. Al Gore would not be able to claim he won the popular vote in 2000 without voter fraud, especially if you figure in the hundreds of thousands of fradulent Dem votes and double-punched Republican votes, that it took for him to "overtake" Bush after Bush had been declared the winner.
It seems to be a very effective strategy for the libs, outside the obvious gains. Now conservatives have to vote for "moderates" to counter the illegal activity.
I live in TX and was listening to Conaservative talk radio yesterday. There is now some talk aboutmoving up the TX primary in the legislature. One of the stated reasosn to to help derail Rino Rudy by letting a conservative state have a crack at him. I know I will never vote for him under any circumstancces.
That's what I'm talking about. It's stupid and destructive. You don't want to vote for him in the primary, VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE; you don't have to constantly attack people's character to do that. It makes ALL of look like we took notes during the private mettings in Hillary's war room.
You and the TX legislature are assuming Rudy will go into the primary unopposed and proposing to affirmative action the "real conservative", who obviously couldn't get on the ticket on his own. That amounts to a vote of no confidence in your candidate's abilities. How much sense does that make?
Astounding poll. Rudy will change the map for the better (in more ways than this)
What do you do if you really do have no confidence in your presidential candidate, as in '88, '92, '96, '00, amd '04? Would you wind-up with a serious erosion of conservative values (keeping in mind the short-lived aberration in '94)?
No need for a 2 party system....when you have liberals winning both parties....
Rudy should just join the Dems....cause thats his politics and philosophy....
and lets not forget all the things he did wrong re: 9/11
.......http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14776001/site/newsweek
By your logic, we should throw in with Obama. This concept of playing defense will destroy the party.
The majority here already do reject RinoRudy.
The 14.1% here supporting RinoRudy just make more noise than their numbers warrant.
It's doubtful. A state that re-elects RINOs like Arlan Spector again and again and rejects conservatives like Rick Santorom (spelling?) shows little hope for rationality.
Pennsylvania suffers from being too close to New Jersey.
((((RUDY PING))))
Has he ever pretended to espouse policies that he doesn't? So where are the lies? Where's the hypocrisy?
Yeah, we caught terminal stupidity.
He has cheated on how mant wifes? That shows a lack of characte. Just like Slick Willie.
Having lived in Pennsylvania up until 2006 I can tell you its pretty much a lost cause for Republicans like the rest of the northeastern USA. Republicans shouldn't bother to waste time or money campaigning in the state and are better served shoring up support in red states instead.
Hey, McCain beats Hillary. We need to support John McCain for President!!!
Actually, for all his flaws, McCain is much more conservative than Rudy Giuliani, both on social issues and as a fiscal conservative.
And in virtually every case where McCain has stabbed conservatives in the back, Rudy has supported him (McCain-Feingold, No Child Left Behind, Amnesty for Illegals).
McCain is mostly pro-life, mostly pro-guns, is strong on national defense, is a decorated war hero.
If he can win in Pennsylvania, I guess we don't need a liberal pretending to be a conservative.
Heck, if McCain can win in Pennsylvania, I bet Fred Thompson can do so as well.
Anyway, we aren't elected a president of Pennsyvania, we are elected a President of the United States.
Bush would have won PA in 2004 if he would have backed the right candidate in the Senate Race. Conservatives (including me, but I dont live there) were angry that he supported Spector over Toomey.
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