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AlGore - Natural CO2 is heavier than man-made CO2. Is this true?

Posted on 03/21/2007 10:31:06 AM PDT by rrr51

I was listening to the hearings and just heard AlGore say that natural CO2, such as CO2 produced by volcanos, is heavier than CO2 produced by man. Did I hear right? Is that what he said? Is it true? Does anybody know?


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Chubby Rain..

Chubby Carbon Dioxide..

Hey, it's plausible...


261 posted on 03/22/2007 7:55:15 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
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To: edsheppa

But how much CO2 comes from non-biologic sources?

Even limestone (seabed - magma - volcanoes) was originally plants/algea/diatoms deposited on the ocean floor.


262 posted on 03/22/2007 7:56:36 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

And what is the historic model or data on availability of N-14 (ionic?) in the upper atmosphere, and how is that well, call it a cross-section, in a way, of nitrogen affected by solar cycles and Earth's magnetic fields?


263 posted on 03/22/2007 7:59:52 PM PDT by bvw
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To: azhenfud
Hydrogen is not a component of CO2...

Cheers!

264 posted on 03/22/2007 8:03:18 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: doc30
What effect does the extra mass of C14 have on the vibroational spectrum of CO2?

Too lazy to track down a copy of Herzberg...

Cheers!

265 posted on 03/22/2007 8:04:39 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: wideminded
Wrong question:

What Gore and the international socialists are claiming is that man-released CO2 IS the SOLE cause for the measured 1/2 of 1 degree rise in mid-atmospheric temperature in the past 40 years (1970-2007).

What their "solution" to that supposed problem is the destruction of the western (American) capitalism, and the takeover by international governments of ALL energy measurement, pricing, and supplies.

What the global warming claimers REFUSE to admit is that CO2 levels have been NATURALLY higher in the past, global temperatures have been NATURALLY much much higher in the past, and that global temperatures have AVERAGED much, much lower MOST of the time in the past.

We ARE at a climate hot peak in the curve lasting some thousand years, and face a coming Ice Age of several tens of thousands of years before temps get BACK to their present level. All natural. NONE man-made..
266 posted on 03/22/2007 8:09:11 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: bvw; xcamel; neverdem
And what is the historic model or data on availability of N-14 (ionic?) in the upper atmosphere, and how is that well, call it a cross-section, in a way, of nitrogen affected by solar cycles and Earth's magnetic fields?


Well, it IS a cross-section, measured in "barns" by the way - short for hafnium's large cross-section that the Manhattan physicists measured "equal to the side of a barn" ...

But I don't know the historic N14 levels.

I don't know the relevance (if any) of the loss of the earth's magnetic field eitehr: but it is rapidly reducing in strength - and THAT affects how much shielding is present against cosmic rays which affect cloud cover which affect radiant heat loss which affects global temps ....
267 posted on 03/22/2007 8:12:57 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: wideminded
Er, yes.

Let me CORRECT you a little;

CO2 doesn't shield the sun's (visible) rays from reaching the Earth. [BUT cloud levels (water vapor as clouds) DO affect reflectivity (albedo) of the incoming sunshine and STRONGLY affect temperatures...] After the rays hit the ground and warm things up, the CO2 [AND ALL THE OTHER greenhouse gases, of which CO2 is less than 1/2 of 1 percent !] prevents the resulting infrared radiation from being radiated into space. That's why they call it the greenhouse effect.

Therefore Gore is claiming that man-caused CO2 (a minute fraction of all CO2 and a minute fraction of a minute fraction of all greenhouse gases!) IS the sole cause for so-called global warming, and therefore the American economy must be destroyed to prevent a natural but undetectable rise in global temperature. (Unless you can pretend to detect a 1/2 degree rise in temperatures in forty years.)
268 posted on 03/22/2007 8:22:21 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Diver Dave
...perhaps you should hang out in the halls of Congress. BYOB and I'm sure you'd be welcomed.

In the halls of Congress...hmmmf. I'd probably get more action there by trolling backwards with my pants down.

Did I say that out loud? Ooops.

269 posted on 03/22/2007 8:26:17 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do I really need to include the sarcasm tag?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

And that's why he never got anything higher than a C in science all through college.


270 posted on 03/22/2007 8:27:31 PM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: rrr51

The fool has said in his heart that Al Gore is SMART...


271 posted on 03/22/2007 8:28:55 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: Sloth

C-14 is formed by cosmic radiation interacting with nitrogen, most common isotope is 14. The C-14 decays back to N-14.


272 posted on 03/22/2007 8:29:16 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: rrr51

And a pound of nails weighs more than a pound of bananas.


273 posted on 03/22/2007 8:29:54 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: spunkets

Chemistry is the only class in high school in which I didn't get an A. Please explain.


274 posted on 03/22/2007 8:32:33 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: rrr51

Hear it is proof positive the Democrats are STUPID! And to think that this POS was one hearbeat (and miscount) away from the White House? I'm starting to wonder if his claims of inventing the internet is a sign of Ceaucescu level delusions!

And also to think that the University of Minnesota is going to give this dumbass an honorary PhD! Says a lot about Minnesota!


275 posted on 03/22/2007 8:34:13 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: VRWCmember

I guess they didn't teach chemistry at divinity school.

Or maybe they do and that was one of the courses that he flunked out of.

Or maybe the chemistry studies were more in line with the Timothy Leary kind.


276 posted on 03/22/2007 8:36:17 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Good synopsis.

The point I was making yesterday is that Carbon Dioxide constitutes approximately .035 percent of the atmosphere, having been emitted by man, machines, volcanoes, dying plants, and Al Gore.

But why isn't it more? Why doesn't it accumulate?

The answer to that is that it is absorbed by green plants using photosynthesis to produce the materials of the plant: cellulose, starch, sugars, and many other things for which Carbon Dioxide is a basic fertilizer.

A plant trying to grow in an environment devoid of carbon dioxide would be unable to synthesize these things. It would be stunted.

Contrariwise, plants provided extra Carbon Dioxide grow lavishly, absorbing and utilizing the resource.

If you want to get rid of Carbon Dioxide, wave it around in a greenhouse. It's like scattering money at the mall. The plants will eat it up.


277 posted on 03/22/2007 8:40:51 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I know where I have gone wrong, and I can cite it, chapter and verse.)
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To: Fred Hayek

Good Column by John Podhoretz:

OUT OF POWER March 22, 2007 -- AL GORE went to do his preacher- scientist-prophet thing yesterday on Capitol Hill - and he said unto the elected politicians listening to his testimony that they must "walk through that fire" to save the planet.

The Goracle asked the members of Congress in front of him to be brave and adopt policies that may do grievous short-term harm to the economy in exchange for the long-term benefit of curing climate change.

The free market can't be trusted to fix this problem, saith the Goracle, so the politicians have to fix it with unpopular legislation.

Fair enough. He believes the world is in a crisis and that politicians must do what is best, not what is convenient.

But what about the Goracle walking through a little fire himself? He knows as well as anyone that the only form of energy that has no effect whatever on greenhouse gases is nuclear energy.

And yet here the Prophet of Doom was bizarrely tentative.

"I'm not opposed" to nuclear power, spake the Goracle, but suddenly he became deeply solicitous of the role of the free market. Nuclear plants are expensive to build, you see, and when the price of gas drops, energy companies drop their plans to construct them.

Given the level of his concern, why would the Goracle not suggest Congress offer enormous incentives to energy companies to build nuclear-power plants?

And since many companies don't even bother to try to build nuclear plants because of community opposition, why would he not embark upon an educational effort to explain to the American people the environmental benefit to be gained from a major program to build nuclear power plants?

Why? I'll tell you why. Nuclear power is an ancient bugbear for the environmentalist left, and Gore is now their leader and sovereign. He's willing to speak the Inconvenient Truth to Power - just so long as it doesn't offend his own power base.

And speaking of a power base: Does his appearance yesterday herald the entrance of the Goracle into the 2008 race?

Well, even some of those inclined to offer ecstatic reviews of his appearance - like the blogger Brian Beutler, who covered the Prophet's every word - could only come up with phrases like "he did pretty well."

On the other hand, he showed one sign he's thinking about it. In his statement he called this time "our Thermopylae moment." Thermopylae was the site of the ancient battle between the Greeks and the Persians immortalized in the mammoth hit movie "300."

This is pure sound-bite politics, as practiced by presidential campaigns and White Houses - it's what politicians do if they want to get themselves on the evening news.

The only problem is that analogizing America in 2007 to Thermopylae makes no sense whatever.

The Goracle speaks in bad riddles!

jpodhoretz@gmail.com


278 posted on 03/22/2007 8:41:28 PM PDT by Palladin (Surrender is not an option.)
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To: rrr51

Cows' burps account for 4% of CO2 emmisions on Planet Earth.
Al Gore feeds at the other end of the bovine intestinal tract!


279 posted on 03/22/2007 8:47:06 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: P-40
"He must be saying that man is creating CO2 with the carbon component having isotopes that make it able to stay aloft for longer periods of time..."

He'd better not be saying that. CO2—even the "manmade" form of it—is actually 50% heavier than air. If Al's suggesting that differences in weight play a significant role in the diffusion of gases (they don't), then all we have to do is dig a big hole in Death Valley and this entire GHG conversation is over.

280 posted on 03/22/2007 8:54:50 PM PDT by Fabozz
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