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This is an extremely well written decision.

How do you limit a right that shall not be infringed?

1 posted on 03/20/2007 4:04:16 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The Post accused the National Rifle Association and the Bush administration's Justice Department of trying "to broadly reinterpret the Constitution so as to give individuals Second Amendment rights."

Rights are not granted by the Constitution, they are acknowledged to be preexisting.

2 posted on 03/20/2007 4:07:25 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: neverdem
Here, let me translate the Washington Post for true Americans...

Appalled by the District Court ruling, the Washington Post editorialized that it will "give the true American meaning to the Second Amendment" that, if applied nationally, could imperil "every unconstitutional gun control law on the books."

3 posted on 03/20/2007 4:08:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: neverdem

I sure am glad we have the Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia there to explain plain english for us. I won't be completely satisfied, however, until the Supreme Court explains to everybody that the word 'bear' means carry, not own. Could you imagine Thomas Jefferson paying money to the government for the right to conceal his weapon on his person?


4 posted on 03/20/2007 4:10:05 PM PDT by Hambone02 (NEW-DUNC '08 !!!!!!)
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To: neverdem
"The court reached this conclusion after stating unequivocally that the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms applies to individuals and not just "the militia."

Of course the 2nd Amendment is about individual citizens. Why would they have needed to amend the Constitution to allow our military to bear arms?

5 posted on 03/20/2007 4:11:31 PM PDT by Cooking101
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To: neverdem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


7 posted on 03/20/2007 4:13:48 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (.)
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb protesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin
8 posted on 03/20/2007 4:14:21 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS Is A Slap In The Face To The USBP!!)
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ping


9 posted on 03/20/2007 4:15:44 PM PDT by bamahead
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To: neverdem

In determining whether the Second Amendment’s guarantee is an individual one, or some sort of collective right, the most important word is the one the drafters chose to describe the holders of the right—“the people.” That term is found in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. It has never been doubted that these provisions were designed to protect the interests of individuals against government intrusion, interference, or usurpation. We also note that the Tenth Amendment—“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people”—indicates that the authors of the Bill of Rights were perfectly capable of distinguishing between “the people,” on the one hand, and “the states,” on the other. The natural reading of “the right of the people” in the Second Amendment would accord with usage elsewhere in the Bill of Rights.


10 posted on 03/20/2007 4:22:54 PM PDT by Sender (Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo.)
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Yes it does. If you don't understand the 2nd Amendment you don't understand America. Some understand the 2nd A. and want it gone. That tells you exactly what they're about.


11 posted on 03/20/2007 4:26:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: neverdem

As a strong second Amendment supporter, I would agree with your last sentence, however where does the limit fall, with the extreme being tactical nuclear weapons or 155mm Howitzers? Are citizens to be allowed these as well? I don't have an answer, and am actually asking the question. I think that "small arms" as in rifles and handguns, even machine guns should be our right to own. Should we have NO limits? That might require a level of perfection in personal responsibility humans are not capable of.


13 posted on 03/20/2007 4:29:40 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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"How do you limit a right that shall not be infringed?"

Easy. The same way Congress passes legislation restricting speech when the first amendment clearly states, "Congress shall make NO law ..."

16 posted on 03/20/2007 4:33:57 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: neverdem
Appalled by the District Court ruling, the Washington Post editorialized that it will "give a new and dangerous meaning to the Second Amendment" that, if applied nationally, could imperil "every gun control law on the books."

Sounds good to me.

"right of the people and "shall not be infringed" is pretty strong language, with very little wiggle room for any sort of "gun control" that applies to otherwise law abiding peaceable citizens.

All it would take is for the Supreme Court to hear and uphold this decision, and federal gun control, other than that which affects convicted felons and such, is gone, including the National Firearms Act. One more ruling, on a state level gun control law, declaring that the second is "incorporated" against state and local infringement as well (being fundamental to ordered liberty), and poof, state and local gun control is also gone the way of the passenger pigeon.

Of course all that should have occurred in beginning in 1939 or so.

37 posted on 03/20/2007 5:35:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem
Appalled by the District Court ruling, the Washington Post editorialized that it will "give a new the original and dangerous correct meaning to the Second Amendment" that, if applied nationally, could imperil "every gun control law on the books."

There, fixed it.

44 posted on 03/20/2007 5:48:33 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: neverdem
How do you limit a right that shall not be infringed?

I would argue only when an individual abuses that right.

Meantime I am confused as to why the NRA opposed this suit?

65 posted on 03/20/2007 6:20:56 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To say that the drafters of the Bill of Rights had two distinct meanings for "the people" in the First and Second Amendments strains credulity.

Especially since there is nothing written officially, publically or privately that addresses such a distinction between the two alleged meanings of "the people."

The creation of the BoRs was the subject of endless debate amongst hundreds if not thousands of men at the time. Reams of press were devoted to this debate. The idea that the phrase "the people" had two distinct meanings and no one ever even made a passing reference to that fact is ludicrous.

102 posted on 03/20/2007 7:39:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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"Yes, the Second Amendment Guarantees an Individual Right to Bear Arms"

Not in New York state.


108 posted on 03/20/2007 7:58:05 PM PDT by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: neverdem
But that said, no right is absolute. All rights have limitations and come with responsibilities. Freedom of speech does not include the right to falsely cry "fire" in a crowded theater. ... And gun rights advocates need to accept the fact that those rights are not unlimited-...

True. But, as in the example of crying "fire" in a crowded theater, no restriction is acceptable before some harm has actually been committed.

109 posted on 03/20/2007 7:58:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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But here is the catch how are you going to get your guns home. You wait they will find that loophole.


121 posted on 03/20/2007 9:37:11 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: neverdem
 This is an extremely well written decision.

 I converted the PDF to HTML to make for easier reading HERE.

 

178 posted on 03/21/2007 7:17:02 AM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: neverdem

Bookmarked.


190 posted on 03/21/2007 7:53:39 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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