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Supreme Court Takes Up 'Bong Hits For Jesus' Case
RightBias News ^ | 3-19-07 | UPI

Posted on 03/19/2007 6:24:09 AM PDT by nancyvideo

The U.S. Supreme Court is set to hear argument in a Juneau, Alaska, case that might further define the free-speech rights of high school students.

In a 1969 case, the high court ruled that students had the right to wear black armbands during the Vietnam War, but in two others in the 1980s, the court said schools had the right to ban offensive speech, as opposed to political speech, and control the content of student newspapers.

The case scheduled for argument Monday involves Joseph Frederick, a student at Juneau-Douglas High School and his principal, Deborah Morse.

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KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; antichristian; bong; drugwar; jesus; religiousintolerance; wodlist
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To: jude24

"What he did was legal, tho."

Seems the left is winning the fight to change the definition of what is right or moral to whatever's 'legal'


21 posted on 03/19/2007 7:16:18 AM PDT by nancyvideo (nancyvideo)
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To: xzins
School time and school rules do cover the time to and from school.

I can cetainly agree with this if the person is riding a school bus or otherwise on school property. However, without some sort of proof (as in a cited court decision) there is no way I can believe that school rules apply to a student driving his own car on a public street on his way to school. If he stops for breakfast at McDonalds half way in, is this covered too? How about if he gets up real early and swings by the range for some target practice on the way in (not being late for school of course.) Breaking laws here? No guns during school time, you know... So please cite something to prove me wrong.

22 posted on 03/19/2007 7:29:55 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana

Even if drive time is school time, students do not lose all their rights at the classroom door.

As I said above, I think it is very interesting that both the ACLU and Pat Robertson's ACLJ have taken the student's case.


23 posted on 03/19/2007 7:36:23 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: nancyvideo
Seems the left is winning the fight to change the definition of what is right or moral to whatever's 'legal'

Wnen government punishment is involved, you're damned right the defining term is "legal".

24 posted on 03/19/2007 7:40:55 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: highball
I think it is very interesting that both the ACLU and Pat Robertson's ACLJ have taken the student's case.

I do to. Makes me wonderif Pat knows something about Jesus that I don't.

(That was a joke...)

25 posted on 03/19/2007 7:53:25 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: xzins
School time and school rules do cover the time to and from school.

Prove your statement with a link to that law.

26 posted on 03/19/2007 9:05:24 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: nancyvideo

That's what the Supreme Court is there for, to determine what's legal. I fear the day we look to the government to arbitrate what is moral. Replace "Bong hits" with "High school students" and ask if you still support what the principal did. Both banners would be equally abhorrent to todays school orthodoxy, the second one perhaps even more so.


27 posted on 03/19/2007 9:18:02 AM PDT by Sandor Clegane
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To: Sister_T
God bless you.

It IS kind of disconcerting that most FReepers, including me, know.
28 posted on 03/19/2007 9:30:32 AM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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29 posted on 03/19/2007 9:32:52 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: mtbopfuyn
You are correct, all of the courts decisions to date have found for the student.

The crux of this issue is the the Principal is held PERSONALLY liable for her overreaching and illegal conduct. This is why the local district (with help) is pushing along the case..... As a result of this series of court battles, the family was harassed out of town and now work in China teaching English to locals there. Juneau may be the State capital, it still has that classic (in a bad way) small town mindset when it comes to folks upsetting the applecart. YMMV
30 posted on 03/19/2007 9:33:28 AM PDT by ASOC ("Once humans are exposed to excellence, mere average desirability is disappointing")
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To: nancyvideo
The message offends me, but I recognize I have no constitutional right to avoid all offense. So, I say let the kid have his sign, even though it could be possibly construed as being "on school time."

Our kids need freedom of speech just to counter all the PC baloney they're taught in schools. If this kid can say "Bong hits for Jesus," my kids can say "Jesus hates abortion."

Besides, Jesus will handle this kid in His own way.
31 posted on 03/19/2007 9:46:34 AM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: nancyvideo

> Seems the left is winning the fight to change the
> definition of what is right or moral to whatever's 'legal'

The principal throwing a hysterical fit and destroying the kid's property (the sign), effectively silencing him, outside of school grounds is the immoral action to focus on here.


32 posted on 03/19/2007 9:50:41 AM PDT by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: mtbopfuyn; green iguana; P-Marlowe; jude24; blue-duncan
From the policy section of the Anchorage Alaska School District. The State Board of Educ. in Alaska gives responsibility for policies to the local school boards. I present the Anchorage Policy as one from Alaska that I could find. It clearly supports my position. This is in the "Rights and Responsibilities" Annex of the District policies.


33 posted on 03/19/2007 9:57:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
In addition, students may be disciplined for behavior on or off school grounds that takes place at any time if the behavior clearly has negative consequences for the welfare, safety, or morals of other students or a person employed or volunteering at the school.

I'd love to see the above struck down by the USSC.

34 posted on 03/19/2007 10:02:10 AM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: xzins

Interesting - thank you for providing that. Tho' I would note that this is school policy - not law, and nothing that has been upheld by a court case. I would go so far as to argue that this part here:

"students may be disciplined for behavior on or off school grounds that takes place at any time if the behavior clearly has negative consequences for the welfare, safety, or morals of other students"

is directly being overturned by the courts so far in this case. Off school grounds - check. Negative consequences for morals of other students - I'll give that a check too. Doesn't seem to matter to the courts.

Just because the public school has a policy that says you need to obey its rules when you are going to and from school, doesn't make it so.


35 posted on 03/19/2007 10:09:40 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana; jude24

I looked up the law. The law does not give specifics. Actually, the law says that the policy of the local school boards should be implemented at their level. I'm no lawyer, but if the law points to the policy, then the policy is the law for that school district.


36 posted on 03/19/2007 10:12:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

You'll have to post the actual page since it's not easily found on the main page at ACD. However, I did find this little tidbit in their survey section (which looks more like if they don't like the poll results they change the wording and go after it again until they get the response they want). Gee, making kids buy school lunches and stay on campus rather than driving around like maniacs would co$t the school. Imagine how much more they'd save if they didn't require kids to come to class. See, the "Bong" kid was merely saving the district money when he didn't arrive on time.

"Respondents were asked to consider the issue of whether high school campuses should be open or closed. With their initial opinion measured, they were then told of the estimated cost of closing campuses, $1.5 million, and asked their opinion again."


37 posted on 03/19/2007 10:15:39 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I had to track it down without any clues.

Perhaps you'd like me to butter your toast, too? :>)


38 posted on 03/19/2007 10:19:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
but if the law points to the policy, then the policy is the law for that school district

I think you're likely correct there. I look forward to finding out if the Supremes side with the law or with all of the other courts that found the law (policy) to be overreaching.

39 posted on 03/19/2007 10:20:00 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Publius Valerius
Why? If we take free speech seriously, why shouldn't we allow this message?

During the school day (including when students are on the way to or from school), the school has the authority to regulate unacceptable behavior that is disruptive including behavior that encourages illegal activity by others.

The school principal took appropriate action within her authority to punish a student for unacceptable behavior during school hours.

Schools cannot become places where teachers and administrators cannot maintain a civil learning environment in the name of free speech.

If the student had some views that he wanted to express, he might have had better luck trying to present them without making it quite so obvious that his main goal was to be offensive and make a scene to bring attention to himself.

His sign may as well have said "Look at me! I'm a jackass! I want to offend a bunch of people an try make this public event less enjoyable for a lot of other people because I like the attention".

40 posted on 03/19/2007 10:20:10 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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