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Rudy Giuliani Could be Just the Ticket for Social Conservatives
American Thinker ^ | March 19, 2007 | J. Peter Mulhern

Posted on 03/18/2007 11:17:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Can America's mayor win support from enough social conservatives to win the Republican nomination?

Maybe not, but social conservatives should think long and hard before they decide to pass on Giuliani. This may be difficult advice to credit. Giuliani is thoroughly alienated from the dominant concerns of the social right.

Mayor Giuliani delivered what they needed most. He reclaimed New York City from the toxic leftism of his predecessors but in the process identified himself with the moral elements of their leftism.

social conservatives are concerned about social rot and Giuliani is one of the very few executives in the history of the world with a record of reversing rot. This is appealing.

On September 11, 2001 and the days that followed he auditioned for commander in chief and the audition went well. This too is appealing. If we don't bestir ourselves to win our war with Islamic fascism, the moral state of our civilization won't matter. We won't be around to wallow in sin.

Social conservatives could benefit from the presidency of someone who agrees with them less but fights for them more. This is the crux of Giuliani's appeal to the social right and every other Republican constituency. He is a fighter, and Republicans of all sorts are sick and tired of turning the other cheek and seeking common cause with the enemy both at home and abroad.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americasmayor; bs; electionpresident; elections; gagalert; giuliani; gopliberal; rudy; rudy2008; rudytherino
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To: FairOpinion

Right. As long as they're "very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer[s]," they meet Giuliani's supposed criteria. Like Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg. Two peas in a pod, I have no doubt.


41 posted on 03/18/2007 11:59:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: hosepipe
Most conservatives are Socialist also.. since (SSA)Social Security is PURE SOCIALISM.. not kind of like socialism but abject PURE socialism.. and conservatives are FOR Social Security..

There's no argument from me on that one. SS was a New Deal left wing creation. Conservatives are stuck with it now. Best we can do is try to reform it with private accounts like Bush tried to do and create an ownership society.

That is what Rudy would try to do also. First, we have to get past the liberal cry of "waaahhh, the stock market is risky" and "conservatives want to risk your grandmothers' livelihood on the stock market". Of course, if the Dow or the S&P are worth less 10, 20, 30 years from now than they are today (which has never happened even over a 5 year period), than we have bigger problems...like who can elbow who on the soup line to get to the front.

42 posted on 03/18/2007 11:59:56 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Good point.

When even Reagan had trouble getting it right, how can we expect Rudy to?

43 posted on 03/19/2007 12:00:43 AM PDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: Gelato
When even Reagan had trouble getting it right, how can we expect Rudy to?

Rudy is tougher.

44 posted on 03/19/2007 12:02:14 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Gelato

Precisely because Rudy is more pragmatic.


45 posted on 03/19/2007 12:02:16 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: Sherman Logan; FairOpinion
They didn't need someone to protect their lives from rampant crime?

Let's get this 'protection' thing straight. The police have no duty to 'protect' anyone from anything. Their job is largely to show up after a crime has been committed and document it for a possible trial later on.

If they happent to stop one in progress, well that's great. But 'protecting' citizens from crime isn't in the job description.

Protecting oneself from miscreants is ones own job. And it's one that Rudy has shown he's dead set against allowing you to do.

He's also dead set (no pun intended) against allowing you to own the most effective tools for your own defense, namely firearms.

New Yorkers are strictly forbidden to carry handguns for their personal defense and Rudy supports that position 110%. He was also responsible for stripping New York residents, including one Freeper, of their legally owned firearms.

He's gone on record several times as supporting and in fact 'strengthening' the so called 'assault weapons ban'. Rudy is no friend to anyone who holds the BOR dear.

He should be rejected as a Presidential candidate outright for that reason alone.

L

46 posted on 03/19/2007 12:02:47 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Gelato

Folks forget that 7 of the 9 justices on the court were appointed by Republicans.

If our party showed more discipline, we would already be well on our way to restoring our constitutional form of republican governance.

But no, they've squandered the decades of hard political work of millions of principled patriots. It's shameful. And now these RINOs want to complete the sellout.


47 posted on 03/19/2007 12:04:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: FairOpinion
Rudy is more pragmatic.

Weasel words.

48 posted on 03/19/2007 12:05:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: Lurker

The police is supposed to maintain law and order, not just stay home and then investigate crimes after they have been comitted.

As an aside, that is the attitude of the Democrats towards the terrorists: let's wait until they blow us up, then investigate, sort of and punish those directly responsible, but never mind going after the terrorist organizations.

Rudy WILL go after the terrorists.


49 posted on 03/19/2007 12:05:27 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

This piece is at it again, separating us out as "fiscal" and "social" conservatives. Hogwash. Here's Buckley's American conservativism:

Through his intellectual leadership, Buckley consolidated the disparate themes that became modern American conservatism: anti-communism, free-market economics, limited government and a cultural perspective rooted in religion and religious values.

These abortionist, same sex marriage Rinos rallying around their standard bearer, Guiliani, are NOT conservatives. They are utterly lacking of "a cultural perspective rooted in religion and religious values."


50 posted on 03/19/2007 12:06:03 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: Lurker

Bang. You nailed it.


51 posted on 03/19/2007 12:06:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: FairOpinion
Rudy WILL go after the terrorists.

What's he gonna do, give 'em sanctuary?

52 posted on 03/19/2007 12:07:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: EternalVigilance

There is no doubt what judges Hillary will appoint, is there?


53 posted on 03/19/2007 12:08:09 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion
The police is supposed to maintain law and order

How many terrorists did law enforcement kill on 9-11? Zero.

How many did private citizens kill, armed only with what was at hand? How many lives did they save?

54 posted on 03/19/2007 12:10:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: FairOpinion
There is no doubt what judges Hillary will appoint, is there?

No one I know is planning on voting for Hillary, so your question is moot. They're not voting for her fellow lefty Rudy, either.

55 posted on 03/19/2007 12:11:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Sounds like you want to see the police force abolished. Is that correct?


56 posted on 03/19/2007 12:11:31 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion
Sounds like you want to see the police force abolished. Is that correct?

Foolish straw man. But, I would rather see the police force abolished than to see the citizenry disarmed. How about you?

57 posted on 03/19/2007 12:12:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: FairOpinion
Rudy WILL go after the terrorists.

When did I say he wouldn't? He'll go after terrorists, Duncan Hunter will go after terrorists, and Mitt Romney will go after terrorsts.

What's your point?

I was discussing Rudys contempt for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

If you'd like to address that point then please do.

If not then please don't bother me with the 'go after terrorists' canard.

L

58 posted on 03/19/2007 12:13:18 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I hate how the lie of judicial supremacy allows executives to pass their own responsibilities onto the courts. Shifting the focus. It's a nice trick.

We saw it with Bush's signing of campaign finance reform.

Jeb with Terri Schiavo.

Mitt with gay marriage.

Now we're supposed to believe that Giuliani will not only enact NO liberal legislation, he will give us "good" oligarchs on the bench.

Does anyone really believe a liberal is capable of governing in harmony with the Constitution?

59 posted on 03/19/2007 12:13:32 AM PDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: TheThinker

Supporters of abortion see a right to abortion defined by the constitution. So just because Rudy says he will appoint "strict constitutionalists" as judges, that doesn't mean that he won't appoint liberals. In fact, his track record has been one of appointing liberal judges.


60 posted on 03/19/2007 12:14:43 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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