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Soldier: Taunts lead to shooting of student
AJC ^ | 3/17/07 | DAVID SIMPSON

Posted on 03/18/2007 6:26:50 PM PDT by StillProud2BeFree

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To: DieHard the Hunter
Are you speaking from personal experience?

Yes, as a former prosecutor.

The guy got lucky with the magistrate. That doesn't mean that the DA can't take it to a grand jury if he wants to.

61 posted on 03/21/2007 8:38:55 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

> Yes, as a former prosecutor.

Like I thought: you're a lawyer and not the guy who actually pulled a trigger on someone. Figures.

Following your *professional* advice, then -- I take it you mean shoot-to-kill -- you'd place the hapless victim of crime in a position of defending him/herself in court on a charge of manslaughter/murder? After already being victimized sufficiently to provoke the use of a potentially lethal weapon? For *taunts*??? ie namecalling???

Incurring all of the court costs that would inevitably follow arising from your advice? Complete with appeals, that $2 bullet begins to look rather expensive...

Where is the good sense in that?

I can see where the prosecutor might benefit, but what about the hapless sod pulling the trigger? For namecalling???

Court costs will certainly ruin him/her for life. There goes the family home, the savings, the retirement pension -- all into lawyer pockets to keep him/her out of the Crowbar Hotel. Nevermind the strain of having a death on one's conscience.

All the while you -- as prosecutor -- are doing your dead-level best to take away his/her freedom because "that's your job."

Great. Just great! I hope nobody is stupid enough to take your advice on this subject.

I guess the cynic in me says that you probably mean it is probably better to kill the crim than to wound him -- corpses can't sue for damages -- but even so...!

Proper professional advice should probably read something like this: "if faced with a situation where people are taunting you and calling you names, holster your weapon and walk away. Remember: sticks and stones may break your bones, but names can never hurt you. A bullet from your firearm sent in their direction, on the other hand, can really mess up the rest of your life."


62 posted on 03/21/2007 11:14:15 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: DieHard the Hunter

And how many folks have you winged, big talker?

I've already said it once, but I'll repeat it for the slower students. If you shoot to wound, rather than shoot to kill, it may be taken as evidence that you were not really in reasonable fear for your life. You might have to put your plans on hold for the next 20 years. If you are not justified in shooting to kill, you are generally not going to be justified in shooting at all.

It also leaves a witness whose story is going to differ from yours. If there hadn't been blood at the doorstep, the hero of this story would probably be sitting in jail at this minute.

It's easier to defend someone on a murder charge in a case like this than it is an aggravated battery charge.

If the person who taught you told you to shoot to wound instead of shooting to kill, you probably ought to ask for a refund and take a course from someone who knows what they are talking about.

Wait a minute - I just clicked on your name. You are flying a New Zealand flag. What do you know about Georgia laws to pretend to be giving advice as to what will get you into or keep you out of jail there?


63 posted on 03/21/2007 12:12:11 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

> And how many folks have you winged, big talker?

I've winged none, and do not purport or intend to. And yes, I have owned and am trained in the correct use of firearms.

As to being a "big talker", sticks-and-stones, mate: you're the one who talked big. I correctly called your bluff.

> I've already said it once, but I'll repeat it for the slower students.

You advocated "more range time" for somebody who let fly at someone for "taunting". I stand by my comments: this was silly advice from somebody who should know better. Big-ballsed bravado that, if followed, would certainly screw up somebody's life.

Even an "open-and-shut" case is going to cost heaps to defend. With no certainty of outcome: Gaol is still an option if the defense isn't sufficiently robust.

His better move would certainly have been to holster his firearm and walk away. In any jurisdiction.

> Wait a minute - I just clicked on your name. You are flying a New Zealand flag. What do you know about Georgia laws to pretend to be giving advice as to what will get you into or keep you out of jail there?

That's easy. I'm an immigrant to NZ, very well-traveled in the US (including Georgia) and quite familiar with your firearms laws. And other matters of law-and-order for that matter, due to my "hobby".


64 posted on 03/21/2007 12:46:29 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: DieHard the Hunter

No bluff to call. I commented on the legalities of the situation, and when questioned, gave a portion of my credentials.

You are the one who is all talk.

And if he was aiming for center of mass and hit the leg, yes, he needs more range time. If he was aiming for the leg, he needs better training.

In addition to asking for a refund for your firearm training, you probably should ask for a refund for your legal training as well.


65 posted on 03/21/2007 2:20:12 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: fso301

Me too.


66 posted on 03/21/2007 2:21:54 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: daybreakcoming

5th column, my man, 5th column.

They infilertrate, lay low until enough of them get into an area and them things begin to happen. This story is one of them. When this happens you are on your own. Do not expect any help from the government the police includes. For reasons of political correctness they are scared shitless of the muslims.


67 posted on 03/21/2007 2:32:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: Calpernia
Are you sure he is a refugee? It says he is a student. I would check the university grant systems first.

There is a world of difference between legitimate refugees and grant funded programs.

Foreign aid is foreign aid.

68 posted on 03/21/2007 4:13:55 PM PDT by Tarkus2040 (Only a conservative nationalist party can save America!)
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To: fso301

"Craig Perkins is a man I'd be proud to have as a neighbor."

Say it loud and proud, brother.


69 posted on 03/21/2007 4:21:06 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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To: Mad Dawg

I wouldn't do "warning shots". You don't draw and put your finger inside the trigger guard until you're ready to kill.


70 posted on 03/21/2007 6:36:56 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.)
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To: Tarkus2040

No it is not. NGOs are UN.


71 posted on 03/21/2007 7:18:35 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: PAR35
If he is a good shot, that means that he showed very poor judgment in aiming for the leg.

Maybe his aim was only off a few inches, or the guy moved just as he was pulling the trigger. It's not the same as punching holes in paper... well not usually anyway.

72 posted on 03/21/2007 9:06:46 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Pox
If this is so, then the moron who got shot is lying through his muslim teeth.

Perfectly acceptable when dealing with infidels.

73 posted on 03/21/2007 9:11:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Pete98
Yup. The cops arrested this guy...what do you want to bet they confiscated his gun?

If they did, and haven't returned it. I'm willing to chip in to his replacement fund. Let's see, dealing with Jihadies, he'd best have something "beefy". Maybe a nice 1911 or something lighter in the same caliber. But of course his Significant Other should have something for those times when he's not there, so maybe a nice .40 S&W, in a Glock or something else. $1,000 - 1,500 should do the trick.

Any local Freeper that can find out if his gun was indeed confiscated, and if so set up a fund in a local bank for us to send our contributions to?

74 posted on 03/21/2007 9:17:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: PAR35

> In addition to asking for a refund for your firearm training, you probably should ask for a refund for your legal training as well.

I shan't be doing either, thanx mate: I'm happy with both. But I might have considered asking you for a refund for your legal advice had I been a defendent silly enough to seek it under similar circumstances... (shoot-to-kill for taunting -- Crikey!!)

but then again: free legal advice is worth every penny you pay for it. So all up, it's a wash: no harm, no foul.


75 posted on 03/22/2007 2:48:16 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: DieHard the Hunter
(shoot-to-kill for taunting -- Crikey!!)

Do you have reading comprehension problems, or are you being intentionally obtuse?

76 posted on 03/22/2007 8:46:21 PM PDT by PAR35
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