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After reviewing some of your documentation I guess I should clarify my statement above that "the Bush Administration responded well."

I unzipped some old news stuff I have and was reminded that the response picked up in late 2001 beginning with independent evaluation of the government studies.

That reminded me that the new administration had a hard time getting their people into the Interior Department and the Gore people out. (Ditto all agencies.) I remember calling my Congressman's local office staff to ask about the problem. The Administration had its hands full dealling with the turnover.

As late as August, 2001 the Administration still had not quite gotten the message. As one columnist put it, "If the president listens to advisors who think to finesse the problem with the usual mind games and double-talk designed to placate the implacable greenies he will have cause to regret it -- and so will the rest of us."

Thanks again for the link to your reports.

Why dont you and Head get a room? Klamath Falls was an environmental fiasco and not Aryan Brothers, Christian Identity, White Surpremists, and survivalists apocolypse-now sensationalists. And that is exactly who was involved in all this back then.

All of you scream "entrapment" yet Weaver actually thought he was selling sawed off shotguns to a friggin Aryan Biker who was going to resell them to black "mud people" gangs, who would only use them to kill each other.

He did it for the money. Thats not entrapment.

My original premise still stands. Weaver and his wife let her "visions" and their paranoia put thier kids at risk. Its was stupid. He would still have his wife today.

I admit the fools that ran the attack on his house screwed up big time, but he was still the one responsible for his childrens safety.

Thanks...those were momentous experiences at Klamath and I am glad to have been involved and perhaps been of some assistance to my friends in the farming and ranching community over there.

As far as Weaver is concerned, despite the continued comments of some to the contrary...his story is much different regarding the reason for his sale of the shotguns as opposed to what the undercover, paid informant had to say about it (which should come as no surprise because it is clear that the informant, was a liar from the getgo to Randy), and it is clear that the jury believed Weaver.

As far as Weaver was concerned, he was selling a shotgun to a friend of several years, who saw that he needed the money badly that summer and was getting weapons he wanted in exchange for the money. So, yes, he was doing it for the money to try and help get his family through that year. Then the informant, showed him where he wanted it cut off and when Randy complied, the informant came out from his cover and tried to use the 1/4" too much as a lever over Randy to get him to go undercover with the Aryan Nations...which Randy wanted no part of.

Pure entrapment, creating a crime where there was no crime and no criminal intent. The Jury saw it that way too. That ought to be the end of story on that issue.