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To: LiberalBassTurds
They never matched the bullet to the Weaver's or Harris's weapon. That would have been a slam dunk against them from the government's perspective. So who else was firing on the hill that day?

I called Weaver's original attorney in Boise several years ago and ased him about that and about the runmor that had been going for many months that Sammy and Vicki were cremated on the hill. He couldn;t come right out and say it, but he told me that Sammy and Vicki were not taken off the hill and that the feds disposed of their bodies...that's as far as he would go.

But more info direct and compelling info comes from Bo Gritz remarks and from trial testimony about the incident after he successfully negotiated an end to the stand-off. Here's what he said about what happened to degan.

Kevin Harris was next on the scene. Harris was a tall, 25 year old with gentle features. He had fallen some distance behind as Sammy ran ahead to catch Striker. Kevin moved to pick Sammy up, but was driven off by a din of automatic weapons fire. Senior Deputy U.S. Marshal William F. Degan, Jr., 42, was a hero, the most honored Marshal in 203-years of service. Seeking to get a better shot at Kevin, he left his covered position and fired on the run (seven shell-casing strung out behind) as he moved toward the trail. Degan crossed directly in front of Larry Cooper. Cooper testified: "I aimed at the target and pulled the trigger. The target fell like a sack of potatoes." The first bullet struck Degan’s tactical backpack spinning him to the left (shown in court). The second round went through his chest. Degan’s last words were directed toward Cooper: "Coop...I...you...," but it was already too late. It was the first time since 1951 that a U.S. Marshal was killed in Idaho.

At this point, having years of close combat experience, I can describe with high confidence what happened. Degan, unlike Cooper, was used to being under fire. Unable to hear Cooper’s silenced rounds, Degan crossed his line of fire. I have observed many inexperienced men doing their best to control fear as they engage the enemy. As any Vietnam combat infantry vet will tell you, it was typical to see new men firing from ambush with their arms over-head, and faces down! William Degan was shot by one of his own, while he maneuvered to kill Harris in the fusillade of fire. Cooper, admittedly afraid, had no idea his target was the running camouflaged Degan. Indeed, Degan did fall like a sack of potatoes.

298 posted on 03/17/2007 8:24:29 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Jeff, very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting it. A good catalyst for some more digging on my part.

LBT
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299 posted on 03/17/2007 8:29:14 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Bear in mind that half the population has a below-average intelligence.)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, your efforts to add the well known detail to a gigantically screwed up thread are great sunlight for those that are not well versed in this incident. Unfortunately, there are those that don't know of your good efforts in the past and won't realize that the other 98% stuff posted here is just that...Idle stuff.


301 posted on 03/17/2007 8:34:02 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Jeff Head
OK, I understand where this is coming from now. It appears that Harris did think he killed Deagan.

Harris admitted killing Degan while he was in custody at a Spokane hospital, according to press accounts.

The theory of friendly fire came from Spence (via Gritz I assume as you stated earlier).

As Spence later showed, it may have been Cooper who killed Degan. Degan, as he was shooting at the retreating Sammy Weaver (maybe six or seven times) was moving sideways and probably crossed Cooper's field of fire. Since Cooper's gun was silenced, Degan would not have heard it. One of Cooper's bullets almost certainly hit Degan's backpack, thus turning partially turning him around. At that point either another of Cooper's bullets, or Harris' may have killed Degan.

What's confusing is the that they couldn't tie the bullet to a Marshall's gun. If it was friendly fire they should have been able to get a match.

LBT
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307 posted on 03/17/2007 8:55:56 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Bear in mind that half the population has a below-average intelligence.)
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To: Jeff Head
They never matched the bullet to the Weaver's or Harris's weapon. That would have been a slam dunk against them from the government's perspective. So who else was firing on the hill that day?

I thought it was interesting how this was parsed in the government reports. Gunfire exchanged. Marshall dead. That sort of bare bones report leads one to think that there's some uncomfortable details in what's not said.

317 posted on 03/17/2007 9:33:26 PM PDT by the808bass
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