Posted on 03/17/2007 7:32:42 AM PDT by amchugh
This is one part of a five part series done for BBC Channel 4. It focusses on Ruby Ridge and the Weaver family, with some digression into seperatists, conspiracy theorists, etc...
And there you have it.
The word "argument" implies there is some possible alternative explanation.
Randy Weaver was no danger to anyone. He was not dangerous. He was not a threat. All he wanted was to be left alone. The feds targeted him when he refused to become an informant for them. They set him up and took him down. The entire episode is a revolting abuse of power.
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Life-Bill-Clinton-Unreported/dp/0895264080/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-2376353-1386230?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174146667&sr=8-1
then I recommend that they read it. Time for patriots would be better spent with information such as this, rather than debating whether Ann Coulter should have called Edwards a faggot.
Say what? The failure to appear charge stemmed from Weaver being told to show up a month later than the hearing he was supposed to show up for.
The charge was for delivering a class III weapon, a "short barreled shotgun"(by 1/8 inch), cut off precisely where the undercover agents told him they wanted it cut off.
Where do you measure your shotgun barrel from/to? That makes the difference between a felony and a legal firearm.
Weaver did not belong to any seperatist or supremacist groups, although he knew people in those movements. He refused to spy on them when leaned on, and the Feds decided to make an example out of him.
If you have a source alleging theft, please provide a link or a cite.
Thank you.
Horiuchi got away with murder. Idaho tried to punish him but could not make it stick.
Can you refute the Justice Dept report cited?
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After they shot the kid IN THE BACK, the feds rearranged the crime scene to make it look like they were shooting in self-defense. They staged photogrpahs and planted evidence. The whole thing is an example of government abuse of power, and anyone who says differently either does not know the facts of the case, is a fascist apologist, or an idiot. The Weaver case should make any real American's blood run cold with rage.
Agree 100%.
What you said! Post on, AnnGora.
Google Gordon Kahl. There are other stories out there much like this one.
I looked everywhere and couldn't find his entire testimony. I watched it and he was very self-effacing and sorrowful and said if he had to do it over again none of it would have happened. He took a lot of blame himself and I was impressed. He seemed kind of like a deprogrammed cult member to me, he and his wife were "trying everything back in those days". If I'm wrong about his willingness to shoulder some of the blame for his family's death then I am wrong in my admiration for him. If he still wants to blame everything on the government then he hasn't changed and is still a paranoid loony.
Didn't the prosecutor who filed the charges against Horiuchi get voted out of office before a trial?
The newly elected prosecutor dropped the charges.
If this be true, the money trail for the candidacy of the new prosecutor would be interesting.
just to complete the thought:
In 1997, the Boundary County, Idaho district attorney charged Horiuchi with involuntary manslaughter, but the indictment was removed to federal jurisdiction based on the Supremacy Clause. The indictment was dismissed first by the Federal District Court, but the dismissal was reversed by an en banc panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Shortly after the 9th Circuit issued its decision, however, the prosecutor moved to dismiss the case, and the U.S. District Court granted the motion on June 26, 2001.
I agree. Generally the govt runs a pretty neat ship. The TWA800 investigation was done very professionally. 270 witnesses were ignored, only a few went to jail, a few lives were ruined and the coverup continued to the end in a pretty professional manner.
"I agree that assault was completely overdone and mismanaged, but in the end Randy Weaver shoulders full responsibility. JMHO"
Thank God a jury of his peers did not agree with you.
That is what I beleive happened also. And when you consider the renegade Clinton administation and the hatchet Christian hater and raging lesbian Janet Reno, the whole picture falls into place.
When you have two incidents targeted at professing Christians(did Janet and Clinton know they were cults or not? and if so,did it justify the hostile murders even so?) in the same administration of godless left wing liberals and the leftist media coverup, the evil she and he did is inexcusable. Let them make peace with God before the Son of God judges them. Vengence is the Lords, He will repay in the person of Jesus Christ, the judge of mankind.
Didn't you watch the hearings? It cost American citizens years of abuse, threats, and just the type of ridicule you've expressed before real hearings were held by the Congress.
My recollection is that a trial date mix up caused Mr. Weaver to miss his court appearance. Marshals were dispatched. They approached the cabin via the woods.
Mr. Weaver's son and and adult male visiting the Weavers were out on the property when the Weaver's dog spotted something and ran toward the two Marshals hiding in the woods.
The dog was shot dead. The Weaver boy became enraged and fired at whoever killed his dog.
The adult male, also carrying a rifle, joined what turned out to be a fire fight. One Marshal was killed, the adult male years later during the televised hearings agreed that his shot likely did it.
The boy was shot dead by the Marshals. I believe it was a few days before the Weavers were allowed to retrieve their son's body.
Mr. Weaver was looking to go out in a blaze of glory?
Do you have valid sources especially the Senate hearings that confirms your opinions? I will use those hearings to backup my recollection -- I ain't that old.
BTW, if anyone reading this knows of a complete transcript I 've been wanting to confirm another of my recollections; to wit, that federal agents testified that they, in general, had the right to kill citizens based solely upon the likelihood that the citizens may become a threat later.
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