The Secret Rulers of the World: The Legend of Ruby Ridge

BBC Channel 4 Video Documentary ^ | ? | Jon Ronson

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This is the kind of crap that went on in the Clinton Administration - dead children and a wife of someone who could have been arrested in 99 other ways. And I absolutely disagree that Randy Weaver is 100% to blame for this. Now, fast forward to a different administration, there's talk of impeachment for firing a few attorney's. Can anybody not see a problem with the great republic?

[PajamaTruthMafia]

Yes he was given the wrong date:

Weaver failed to appear for a court date on February 20, 1991, having been informed that the set date was March 20 in the summons the Weavers received. Judge Ryan declined to withdraw the warrant when he learned that the Probation Office had sent Weaver a letter with an incorrect trial date, and declared Weaver a federal fugitive and issued an arrest warrant. After the indictment was returned, US Attorney Ellsworth rebuffed Marshals Service Director Hudson's request to dismiss the indictment and return it under seal.[citation needed]

In interviews videotaped after the standoff, the Weaver family stated that the ATF was trying to humiliate Randy in order to make an example of him. Upon learning he was officially classified a fugitive, Randy extrapolated that the government's goal was to assassinate him. The Weaver family confined themselves to their home, making few appearances in town, always keeping rifles within reach. Randy Weaver rarely went outdoors.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

[Issaquahking]

Couple of books for you -

Vicki, Sam, and America How America killed all Three by Randy Weaver.

The other is From My Cold Dead Fingers by Sheriff Richard Mack.




Sheriff Richard Mack is the best friend you have, that you've never met.

Who is Sheriff Mack? -


In 1994, Mack was the first Sheriff in the country to file a lawsuit against the Brady bill and ultimately won a landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision in defense of the 10th Amendment and State Sovereignty. This magnificent ruling, which reinforces the fact that the Federal Government can not force their programs on the States, has been virtually hidden from the public by the media.


Lon Horuichi killed Vicki, no one else but that man pulled the trigger.

[bkepley]

Weaver had plenty of opportunity to have his family surrender to the FBI.

[Issaquahking]

ping

[Poincare]

At the time of the Weaver-Harris Ruby Ridge trial NPR (!) ran a story about Horiuchi's scrapbook of kills where he posed with the corpses. Since he was unable to pose with Vicky Weaver's corpse he had his picture taken at the plywood cabin holding up one of Mrs Weavers dresses.

[bkepley]

You guys are arguing against Weaver himself who said what I am saying that he should never have gotten his family involved. This is what Weaver testified.

[freedomfiter2]

Weaver had plenty of opportunity to have his family surrender to the FBI.


Weaver may have correctly concluded that they were there to kill them not arrest them.

[DainBramage]

When his son was shot and they began to negotiate he should have sent out his wife and daughter...period, no if ands or buts. He didnt. His wife was hit when they shot through the door or wall at him. Your a fool if you think they would have tried to shoot his wife on purpose.

I agree the charges most certainly didnt warrant the force used. I further think they should have just backed off and waited after his son was hit. Im sure you think you are aware of "facts" that Im not. But Weavers story is just as full of BS. He wasnt an simple quiet man trying to live out his life without electricity and water. He was a full blown White Supremest anti government no tax paying whacko.

[peeps36]

The Clinton administration ignored radical islam and focused itself on conservative Christian separatist.They wanted to destroy the conservative movement by making it look like the Weavers and Davadians were the average conservative Christians.This is the reason radical islam was able to grow into the worldwide terror network it is today.Instead of going after radical islamist, Clinton wasted time and money killing women and children who wanted to avoid contact with the government.

[bkepley]

Weaver may have correctly concluded that they were there to kill them not arrest them.

Weaver was a stand-up guy in my opinion who took the blame. He did not make this paranoid claim.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Mr. Weaver shoulders some of the blame for this but clearly it was an out of control law enforcement organization working with the full approval of the Clinton Justice Department, who we all know are above reproach (SARC).<<<

I believe the Ruby Ridge Massacre took place in 1992 under the George H.W. Bush administration.

[DainBramage]

Being of Asian decent makes you likely to kill women and children?

Nice sheet you got on there. No wonder you believe Weavers innocent. Sheesh guys!

[taxed2death]

"At the time of the Weaver-Harris Ruby Ridge trial NPR (!) ran a story about Horiuchi's scrapbook of kills where he posed with the corpses. Since he was unable to pose with Vicky Weaver's corpse he had his picture taken at the plywood cabin holding up one of Mrs Weavers dresses."

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I wonder if that piece of $hit is still on the government payroll.
I have a personal friend who is a Marine Sniper and has served one tour in the Gulf War and tour tours in this most recent fiasco. He does not take the fact that he has taken human lives lightly. In my eyes he is a total professional and to the best of my knowledge never brags about taking lives nor does he have a scrap book of the (many) people he has killed in battle.

[AnnGora]

If you have read anything about this family, you will find out it was Vicki who was the real leader and head of the family. Randy was actually pretty weak next to her She was perhaps the most vocal about the ZOG and the New World Order. She was a very strong woman who had no qualms about letting her children walk around armed to the teeth.

Having said that, I am in NO WAY saying it was her fault she was shot. She was murdered, plain and simple. Whether you believe what she believed or not, she was a remarkable woman and a very good mother. What happened on Ruby Ridge is clearly an assault by the government against women and children and never should have happened.

[PajamaTruthMafia]

What are you talking about?

In interviews videotaped after the standoff, the Weaver family stated that the ATF was trying to humiliate Randy in order to make an example of him. Upon learning he was officially classified a fugitive, Randy extrapolated that the government's goal was to assassinate him. The Weaver family confined themselves to their home, making few appearances in town, always keeping rifles within reach. Randy Weaver rarely went outdoors

[Kevmo]

If they wanted to arrest him that badly they could have simply waited till he went to town and done it then.
***Same thing with David Koresh, and that 92-year old lady who died in a no-knock drug warrant in Atlanta recently. The adrenaline cowboys have taken over policy.

[DainBramage]

Oh now NPR is a credible source. (snort)

[the808bass]

people want something more conspiratorial!

You don't have to believe in conspiracy theory to say that the government criminally mismanaged this whole horrible episode. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the actions our government took are as much to blame as Mr. Weaver. And being in full possession of their faculties of logic, they (the government) should have been the "bigger person." I hold them more responsible.

[Thermalseeker]

I think it ended up being a sixteenth of an inch too short.

IOW, the width of a hacksaw blade.....jeez.