Live Thread - House Oversight and Government Reform Cmte. hearing (Valerie Plame Wilson Testifies)

Cspan ^ | March 16, 2007

[Mo1]

ON CAPITOL HILL Valerie Wilson Testifies

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) chairs a House Oversight and Government Reform Ctme. hearing on the disclosure of CIA Agent Valerie Plame Wilson's identity. The hearing will look into whether White House officials followed appropriate procedures for safeguarding the identity of Ms. Wilson.

FRIDAY, C-SPAN AT 10AM ET

[lugsoul]

So, you think Waxman was making it up that Hayden approved this statement for the committee, and Tom Davis just sat there silently and said nothing?

[woofie]

Its called word play ...it may be true but it dont mean what you think it means



why is it so important to you?

[lugsoul]

Truth, and accuracy, are important to me.

There are masses of folks who make authoritative statements about her status who, simply, don't know what they are talking about. Unless they know her employment status, her assignments, and her cover - and when it began and ended - they are talking out of their rear ends when they opine on her status. This statement is the first public statement approved by the government on her status. It refutes three years of uninformed talking points.

And - if it is accurate - the disclosure of the information was, at best, reckless. And it was done for no other reason than managing press. I don't care what your politics are, that is wrong.

FR has largely devolved to the point where the discussion on any issue can be boiled down to Republicans good, Democrats bad. Frankly, I thought it was shameful that Davis stooped to question Plame's party identification in a public hearing. Is every Democrat covert agent bad? Is every Democrat soldier, sailor, or Marine bad? That was insulting.

I've said it before - if every fact about this episode were the same except the party affiliation of the players was changed, most here would be snarling for blood. There is nothing principled about that.

[woofie]

I can see your point but the fact that Fitz failed to indict for a significant crime in a 3 year invesigation of this says a lot

[lugsoul]

I agree that it says a lot, but I suspect we differ on what that 'lot' is. I think it, coupled with his kid gloves treatment of Karl Rove, and his narrow approach to Libby, says that he was exercising a great deal of restraint in approaching a sensitive and public issue and that his office wasn't going to bring any case they didn't think was damn near a lock.

[an amused spectator]

You fail to note that your post #1479 is a quote from Henry Waxman. I see that woofie caught that also, but I'd like to clarify the point.

Waxman has negative credibility in any political discussion, because his Leftist agenda will ALWAYS make him shade information in his favor, and suppress information that makes his side look bad.

So we can pretty much throw out your whole post as far as this discussion goes.

[an amused spectator]

And - if it is accurate - the disclosure of the information was, at best, reckless. And it was done for no other reason than managing press. I don't care what your politics are, that is wrong.

This is just a Democrat talking point, luggie.

The Plame kerfluffle is just another in an ongoing saga of DC "Prosecutor Wars". You know, we've been around the block a few times here at the Republic, and we knows the animal when we sees it.

I hold no briefs for the "Stupid Party" or the "Retarded Kids Party", but when the "Cool Kids Party" starts going overboard on beating up the "Retarded Kids", I'm going to call it.

The whole Plame thing is so contaminated with party politicking that it's laughable.

I'm giving Toensing the final word on it, and she says "Not Covert".

[an amused spectator]

BTW, The Washington Posties already had Plame as covert on March 15:

"An undercover CIA operative specializing in weapons of mass destruction, Plame was unmasked in July 2003 by columnist Robert D. Novak..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/plame/Plame_KeyPlayers.html#plame

[woofie]

The only special prosecutor I have ever heard of who did a really good job was Joe Di Genova...He was(is) a Dem and was looking at a Republican scandal...He shut his doors after announcing that there was nothing there. . He is married to Toensing

[an amused spectator]

TOENSING (to Henry Waxman, at the Plame hearing on March 16, 2007): Does he [General Hayden, head of the CIA] want to swear that she was a covert agent under the act?

[lugsoul]

In case you didn't notice, that was a TRANSCRIPT.

So now you think that because it is the WaPo they are doctoring the transcript? You really do live in your own little reality, don't you?

[lugsoul]

A quote from Henry Waxman, reading the comments approved by the CIA for the committee. I'm sure GOP counsel and Tom Davis and Lynn Westmoreland would just let it go without comment if they inserted their own language.

Oh, I forgot. In your reality, they certainly would. Especially if Toensing said otherwise.

[Sam Hill]

"Truth, and accuracy, are important to me."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Sam Hill]

Free-dame: "According to the official Senate investigation, what Wilson wrote in the NYTimes was not true. He reported something different to the CIA, making his op-ed not a leak and thus not illegal. Of course, the left (media, elite, 'rats and Wilson himself) continue speak of the op-ed as true."

lugsoul: "Not exactly, though it gets cast that way a lot, especially here. The Committee as a whole did not issue that part of the report. Those conclusions are from a minority report, and are disputed by others."

Just one of your typical (and endless) lies:

REPORT ON THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S PREWAR INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS ON IRAQ
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm

[an amused spectator]

In case you didn't notice, that was a TRANSCRIPT.

In case YOU didn't notice, it was only a PARTIAL transcript - and neither hide nor hair of Toensing's transcript can be found on their site...

So now you think that because it is the WaPo they are doctoring the transcript?

I would consider a partial transcript where they could have posted a FULL transcript "doctoring", yes.

We are talking about The Washington "93 Good, 8 Bad" Post, aren't we? ;-)

You really do live in your own little reality, don't you?

93 GOOD, 8 BAD!
93 GOOD, 8 BAD!
93 GOOD, 8 BAD!
93 GOOD, 8 BAD!

[an amused spectator]

A quote from Henry Waxman, reading the comments approved by the CIA for the committee.

I was pretty sure you were going to try to get that bilge to flush, so I posted this earlier in preparation - (Victoria Toensing's comments on Waxman trying to slide the covert thing past the world):

TOENSING (to Henry Waxman, at the Plame hearing on March 16, 2007): Does he [General Hayden, head of the CIA] want to swear that she was a covert agent under the act?

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For the record, Hayden didn't show up at the hearing to gainsay Toensing, and swear under oath about his "opinion" on "covertness" given to Waxman...

;-)

[DEM-SPOILER]

Chris Wallace needs to ask Plame, Fitzgerald and his colleagues in the MSM why they haven't gone after Armitage.
Bill O. could jump on this too!

[DEM-SPOILER]

Great point.

[the Real fifi]

http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070319/NEWS01/70319004/1079

Wilson speaking at U of Iowa. Plame was supposed to be there too but claims her lawyers are preventing her from it.

BTW this is how the left works. Wilson (like Sheehan et al) make money thru speakers brueaus the left runs. The speechas are paid for out of mandatory student fees. The tuition money you pay is used to propagandize your children. Nice, huh?

[Sunshine Sister]

My suggestion would be to not hold your breath. It isn't going to happen!