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FR's latest poll - Giuliani vs McCain - How did you vote?
FR ^ | 3/14/07 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 03/15/2007 5:18:19 PM PDT by Jean S

For discussion.


TOPICS: Free Republic; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; mccain
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To: Ol' Sparky; JeanS
So, if Stalin was running as a Republican, promised to protect the nation from terrorism and was a little more conservative than Hitler, who was running as a Democrat, you'd vote for Stalin, too?

A better analogy would be Roosevelt versus Hitler. Or Roosevelt versus, say, someone who would surrender to Hitler. Thats where we are. Roosevelt was a socialist, and in my opinion thoroughly incompetent, and given any decent choice I'd never support him. But had the alternative, half-way through the war, been someone who would surrender and withdraw the troops who were already halfway to Berlin, its an easy choice.

I'm for Hunter. But thats not the poll. If after the primary, the one who has emerged as the front runner is Giuliani, its an easy choice against the Democrat, whoever it is. The Dems are going to withdraw the troops under fire. I don't think Giuliani will do that. On probably any other issue, Giuliani is a Democrat; I call him a Lieberman Republican, he's Clinton on every issue except the war. We'll have to fight him every day of his 4 or 8 years in office about something or other. But he's not going to surrender to the jihadists, and while thats not everything, its pretty basic.

I sympathize with the people who would sit home rather than vote for someone as squishy as Giuliani; I've said over and over I'll sit home before I'll vote for McCain. And twice I've refused to vote for Swartzenegger. I have to admit, though, that I refused knowing full well that he would win. Had it been close, I would have voted for him because bad as he is, he was the better of the two (referring to his Dem opponent). I would like to see McClintock in the governor's mansion, really McClintock should be in national office, he's one of the really good men, decent, principled, he's wasted in California politics. I'll vote for him every time. Its a shame if Swartzenegger is the best you can do. But its California, and Swartzenegger is, apparently, the best you can do. There just aren't enough of us McClintock voters.

161 posted on 03/16/2007 9:32:02 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron
And twice I've refused to vote for Swartzenegger. I have to admit, though, that I refused knowing full well that he would win. Had it been close, I would have voted for him because bad as he is, he was the better of the two (referring to his Dem opponent).

I totally disagree that eight years of a liberal Republican is better than four years of a Democrat. Voting for the liberal Republican guarantees no conservative candidate for twice as long a period. And, McClintock WOULD have won a head-to-head match up with Bustamante.

But, more importantly, the country as a whole IS NOT a liberal as California. A conservative obviously can be elected President. Thus, it is incredibly poor judgement to vote for someone like Giuliani and assure a liberal is in office for eight years. That is suicidal to the conservative movement.

162 posted on 03/16/2007 10:16:45 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky

I'm hoping this will turn out to be a non-issue. Hunter polls low among the general public because no one has heard of him yet, but he's polling very strong among conservatives.

I think once people see him side by side with the others, he will emerge as the front runner. In my opinion outspoken conservatives always do better than closet conservatives; people are persuaded by confidence, they are not persuaded by timid or embarrassed conservatism. We've seen a lot of that over the years.

People are fond of saying that to win we need to attract Democrats to cross over, and thats right. But Dems don't cross over for weak or fuzzy conservatives, or "moderates". They cross over for bold ones. They are called "Reagan Democrats" for a reason.

The field of candidates on the Dem side are some of the most un-serious people I can ever remember, which is saying something considering they come from a fundamentally un-serious party. Up against a serious guy like Hunter they will look like the flakes they are.


163 posted on 03/16/2007 10:29:58 AM PDT by marron
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To: JeanS

Write in. Duncan Hunter (or perhaps Fred Thompson, if he decides to run).


164 posted on 03/16/2007 10:34:28 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: marron
But I do trust him on war issues, and the war is my bottom line.

As it is mine. I completely agree with you.


165 posted on 03/16/2007 2:58:52 PM PDT by rdb3 (Poor fella. He has no idea...)
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To: MittFan08
I like Romney, but I don't think he can beat Hillary.

I think he could beat her handily. He's just as smooth as her hubby, but it's really who he is, not the papered-over act of a womanizer.

166 posted on 03/16/2007 3:02:19 PM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: LtdGovt

Exactly!


167 posted on 03/16/2007 3:06:01 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
exactly wrong, a real conservative can win easily over Hillary or Obama if the people believe that they are sincere and won't sell us off to Mexican interest.
168 posted on 03/16/2007 6:17:44 PM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: Fawn

169 posted on 03/16/2007 6:24:51 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: smug

I'm still hoping for either a Duncan Hunter/Fred Thompson ticket or a Fred Thompson/Duncan Hunter ticket for the GOP in '08!


170 posted on 03/16/2007 7:24:50 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: JeanS

Rudy.


171 posted on 03/16/2007 9:26:08 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Tag line temporarily reloading.....)
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To: LtdGovt
Enjoy President Hillary.

Whom you will also enjoy and whose presidency you will be EQUALLY responsible for by not working to bring a candidate conservative ideologues will vote for.

172 posted on 03/16/2007 9:47:02 PM PDT by MrEdd (Always look on the bright side of life.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
That ticket makes a whole lot more sense than abandoning conservative principles, for a Hillary think alike with a big R next to their name. If Rudy is the nominee just hit the flush lever on American Conservatism.
173 posted on 03/17/2007 8:53:19 AM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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