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Giuliani will miss firefighters event
Deseret News ^ | Wednesday, March 14, 2007 | Richard Perez-Pena, New York Times News Service

Posted on 03/14/2007 6:51:57 PM PDT by George W. Bush

Giuliani will miss firefighters event

By Richard Perez-Pena
New York Times News Service

      John McCain will be there, as will Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards and half a dozen other presidential candidates. But when firefighters hold a candidates' forum today in Washington, Rudolph W. Giuliani, the contender most closely identified with their profession, will not attend.
      In the past several days, a private tussle over Giuliani's participation — he was out, then in, then out again — has turned into a public spat with the International Association of Fire Fighters. That, in turn, has highlighted an uncomfortable paradox of Giuliani's campaign.
      Since the Sept. 11 attacks, when he was mayor of New York City, he has been linked in the public mind to firefighters and police officers, whom he regularly hails as heroes as he campaigns around the country.
      Yet the firefighters and police officers who know Giuliani best, those in New York City, have mixed views of him, ranging from admiration to outright hostility.
      That has filtered through to leaders of their national associations accusing Giuliani of trying to cut short the effort to find victims' remains in the trade center wreckage.
      They also contend that his administration mishandled the development of a radio system that could have saved lives on 9/11, and that he blundered in putting the city's emergency command center in the trade center.

      The Giuliani campaign says that the criticism stems from the hostility from union leaders with whom he had tough negotiations, and it promotes the notion that the former mayor has a special bond with emergency workers. He was cheered by firefighters and police officers at recent events in South Carolina and New Hampshire.
      "This is a natural constituency for him," said Anthony Carbonetti, a senior Giuliani adviser. The critiques, he said, come from "a select group of union officials, and the union and the firefighters are two different groups of people."
      He said rank-and-file workers know, for example, that Giuliani got firefighters heavy-duty suits, known as bunker gear, that has saved lives.
      But attacks by emergency workers — quietly encouraged by some rival campaigns — strike at the heart of the candidacy of Giuliani, who presents himself as a leader who tamed crime and led a wounded city through the aftermath of the terror attacks.
      The criticism is all the more jarring because most public figures in both parties — whether out of conviction or calculation — have been unwilling to say anything negative about Giuliani's handling of 9/11.
      Jim Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police, said: "Everybody likes a Churchillian kind of leader who jumps up when the ashes are still falling and takes over. But two or three good days don't expunge an eight-year record."


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: firefighters; giuliani; rudy; wtc; wtc7
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As I transcribed elsewhere, all the Dims were there today. McStain, Gilmore and Duncan Hunter were the only Republicans.

Duncan Hunter was the only Republican that made a real connection with the audience according to union president Schaitberger.

Rudy Giuliani will be flying in tonight for a $2300/plate fundraiser. A 'group of firefighters' are invited to attend free.

1 posted on 03/14/2007 6:52:00 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

Fine for Rudy... I don't mind a tussle with a union.


2 posted on 03/14/2007 6:54:46 PM PDT by nctexan (Top 10 Presidential Reqs. for 2008 - see my homepage)
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To: George W. Bush
With apologies to the Beatles

"Come together right now, vote Rudy"

Here come the mayor, he will, walk on my water
He got, liberal genomes, he's a RINO savior.
He got his something round the GOP.
One thing you can count on is his mo-ral-ity?


He dress like Marilyn, he got, moles and falsies
He's so, homo-friendly, likes to, stop them babies.
He say "I know ways, to make you free"
First you take you pistols and just give them to me.

Come together, right now, vote Rudy

He's mucho macho, He own, all of the City .
He has, love of millions, his heart's, pseudo plastic.
He's the neo-neo right, of Bill's Hillary.
Just stare into the Kool aid until you can believe.

Come together right now, vote Rudy

He's a racehorse winner, he can, beat up the lady.
He's not, spawned of Satan, he is, all pro Israel
He stood in rubble, saw him on the TV.
To hell with values son it's Gu-li-ani

Come together right now, vote Rudy
3 posted on 03/14/2007 6:59:33 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Put on your red dress Rudy, cause we're steppin' out tonight.)
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To: bluecollarman

LOL

Good one...


4 posted on 03/14/2007 7:02:49 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTOL=SLAVERY)
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To: 383rr

Thank u very much.


5 posted on 03/14/2007 7:06:48 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Put on your red dress Rudy, cause we're steppin' out tonight.)
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To: George W. Bush

They also contend that his administration mishandled the development of a radio system that could have saved lives on 9/11 and that he blundered in putting the city's emergency command center in the trade center.

"America's Mayor"

Geez.....the Jihaddis had already hit the WTC once!.....and there was plenty of grumbling about the 9-11 communications immediately after 9-11 that seemed to go away pretty quick in early 2002.


6 posted on 03/14/2007 7:09:17 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: nctexan
1 - Strong Position on National Defense
2 - Realistic Understanding of Global Islamo-Fascist Threat
3 - Effective Communicator of Ideas and the Leadership to Accomplish Them
4 - Supports Strict Constructionist Judiciary
5 - Moral Professional and Personal Character
6 - Relies on Capitalism versus Socialism to Solve Problems
7 - Sees People as Individuals versus Members of a Group (special interest pandering)
8 - Support Rights of the Unborn
9 - Supports Controlled Immigration Policy
10 - Reasonable Gun Control Position

Is this Rudy?
7 posted on 03/14/2007 7:13:48 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Put on your red dress Rudy, cause we're steppin' out tonight.)
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To: bluecollarman
It's been a long time since I heard that song.

Are you sure those are the real lyrics?
8 posted on 03/14/2007 7:14:24 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Spiff; narses; Liz

ping


9 posted on 03/14/2007 7:15:37 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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But without a comprehensive assessment of risks and vulnerabilities, the American people have no assurance that homeland security resources are being deployed for maximum benefit. We elect our leaders to make these tough decisions. They owe us their best analysis and judgment as to where we deploy scarce resources to secure our homeland.
• Provide reliable radio spectrum for emergency responders.
The commission's report documented the unreliability of communications systems available to first responders. The radio frequencies dedicated to New York public-safety agencies were overloaded by the hundreds of police and fire personnel converging on the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, and were too weak to penetrate the many floors of the towers above. Those failures led to the unnecessary loss of many lives.

snipped from

Sept. 11's unfinished business
By Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton
http://www.9-11pdp.org/press/2005-09-11_op-ed.pdf


10 posted on 03/14/2007 7:15:38 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: George W. Bush
Are you sure those are the real lyrics?

Sure...that's them. ;)

11 posted on 03/14/2007 7:17:09 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Put on your red dress Rudy, cause we're steppin' out tonight.)
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To: bluecollarman
"Is this Rudy?"

Nope... but I'm not so blinded by 'Rudy' hatred that I disagree with everything that he does.

So far I don't see a candidate that meets all my requirements or (in my view) has what it takes to win the general election.

I haven't come close to declaring whom I think meets most of my top requirements.

12 posted on 03/14/2007 7:25:13 PM PDT by nctexan (Top 10 Presidential Reqs. for 2008 - see my homepage)
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To: George W. Bush; Spiff; narses; raybbr
.......firefighters and police officers who know Giuliani best, those in New York City, have mixed views of him, ranging from admiration to outright hostility. That has filtered through to leaders of their national associations accusing Giuliani of trying to cut short the effort to find victims' remains in the trade center wreckage. They also contend that his administration mishandled the development of a radio system that could have saved lives on 9/11, and that he blundered in putting the city's emergency command center in the trade center.......

Sonofagun, RINO idols have feet of clay.

13 posted on 03/14/2007 7:26:29 PM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Liz; Velveeta; cgk; windchime; Spiff; Fierce; The Spirit Of Allegiance; Coleus; backhoe; ...

ping


14 posted on 03/14/2007 7:28:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Liz

I'll never forget the firefighter protest. There were people there in tears in front of cameras demanding that they be allowed to find their brothers.


15 posted on 03/14/2007 7:33:10 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: George W. Bush

It was a waste of time for Republicans to be there anyway. Shitberger already knows who he will back, My bet is Hillary Clinton. He has a track record for picking losers


16 posted on 03/14/2007 7:38:44 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: George W. Bush

The IAFF is a left-leaning organization that supported John Francois Kerry in 2004.


17 posted on 03/14/2007 7:40:49 PM PDT by Dahoser (Never question Mr. Nibbles!)
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To: Calpernia

Guess some of them have forgotten that when Hillie was booed at that 9-11 event, one of her flacks referred to the first responders doing the booing as drunks.


18 posted on 03/14/2007 7:41:59 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: sgtbono2002
Not so. Schaitberger and the union backed Kerry in '04 but the NYC Local publicly and vocally backed Bush in '04. Yet, they still seem to have real venom for Rudy who the Juliebots insist is their hero. So Duncan Hunter might get some votes from them. Schaitberger was just as positive toward Duncan as he was to any of the Dims.

Ronald Reagan also managed to pick up blue-collar union people in his landslides. Duncan's ability to appeal to them should not be dismissed so lightly.
19 posted on 03/14/2007 7:44:55 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: nctexan
I don't have Rudy hatred. I just don't "feel the love".

"So far I don't see a candidate that meets all my requirements or (in my view) has what it takes to win the general election."

What do you think about Thompson?

20 posted on 03/14/2007 7:45:31 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Put on your red dress Rudy, cause we're steppin' out tonight.)
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