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To: GourmetDan

> The truth is that there is no 'observed fact' uniquely
> supporting heliocentrism and you are totally unaware of
> that fact. Ever understand what coordinate systems (CS)
> in Einsteinian relativity actually means?

If you're referring to special relativity, Einstein specified "inertial" frames of reference, meaning not accelerating with respect to each other. At rest with respect to the center of mass of the earth and at rest with respect to the center of mass of the sun are not such easily swappable systems because the earth is accelerating with respect to (orbiting) the sun.

If you go all the way out to general relativity, there is the easily measured fact that the sun is a much, much larger distortion in the fabric of space-time than the earth.


220 posted on 03/15/2007 6:46:30 AM PDT by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: voltaires_zit
"If you're referring to special relativity, Einstein specified "inertial" frames of reference, meaning not accelerating with respect to each other. At rest with respect to the center of mass of the earth and at rest with respect to the center of mass of the sun are not such easily swappable systems because the earth is accelerating with respect to (orbiting) the sun."

I know that it is difficult to distinguish between the *assumption* that the earth is accelerating with respect to the sun and the *assumption* that the sun is accelerating with respect to the earth. That was Einstein's point. There is no difference and therefore, no reason to scientifically prefer one model over the other.

"If you go all the way out to general relativity, there is the easily measured fact that the sun is a much, much larger distortion in the fabric of space-time than the earth."

General relativity is what Einstein was referring to when he and Infield said:

'The Evolution of Physics, "(Einstein and Infeld, 1938, p. 212):

Can we formulate physical laws so that they are valid for all CS [coordinate systems], not only those moving uniformly, but also those moving quite arbitrarily, relative to each other? […] The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS."

So, Einstein himself refutes your point. If you can't accept that, then there's nothing I can say that will change your mind either.

228 posted on 03/15/2007 7:24:37 AM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: voltaires_zit
If you go all the way out to general relativity, there is the easily measured fact that the sun is a much, much larger distortion in the fabric of space-time than the earth.

It depends on who you ask...


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251 posted on 03/15/2007 11:53:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: voltaires_zit
If you go all the way out to general relativity, there is the easily measured fact that the sun is a much, much larger distortion in the fabric of space-time than the earth.

It depends on who you ask...


 NEW YORK – Idaho resident Kathy Evans brought humiliation to her friends and family Tuesday when she set a new standard for stupidity with her appearance on the popular TV show, “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.”

It seems that Evans, a 32-year-old wife and mother of two, got stuck on the first question, and proceeded to make what fans of the show are dubbing “the absolute worst use of lifelines ever.”

After being introduced to the show’s host Meredith Vieira, Evans assured her that she was ready to play, whereupon she was posed with an extremely easy $100 question.

The question was:

“Which of the following is the largest?”
A) A Peanut
B) An Elephant
C) The Moon
D) Hey, who you calling large?


Oh!

Speaking of FABRIC.....

"But someone may ask: "Is not Scripture opposed to those who hold that heaven is spherical, when it says, 'who stretches out heaven like a skin?' "

252 posted on 03/15/2007 11:56:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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