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The Middle East may soon feel India's growing power
The New Nation,Bangladesh ^ | Tue, 13 Mar 2007 | Eric Margolis

Posted on 03/13/2007 11:06:45 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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Margolis is known to have anti-US & anti-Indian views hence the alarmist tone....

1 posted on 03/13/2007 11:06:50 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki; All; SandwicheGuy; Constitutionalist Conservative; Gator113; Zhang Fei; ...
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2 posted on 03/13/2007 11:09:02 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The author seems to be jumping the gun a little bit. Especially referring to China (PRC) and India as "the two Asian superpowers," and stating that the Chinese Navy could even challenge the United States' Navy in a clash over Taiwan.

In a few decades that could be.
But not yet.

3 posted on 03/13/2007 11:13:09 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Bush Administration's serial blunders in the Middle East have not only seriously undermined American influence over the region

Here we go with another delusional terrorist sympathizer journalist. Never before that the US has so much power and influence over the Middle East affairs as it has right now. The US forces control two Middle Eastern countries, have bases in four more, and they simply have absolute and total control of the seas and skies in that area. The US liberated 50 millions people in Iraq and Afghanistan, deposed the terrorist and brutal regimes of Saddam and the Taliban, killed over 70,000 terrorists in Iraq and 10,000 more in Afghanistan, captured tens of thousands of terrorists, forced the Syrian terrorist regime to get out of Lebanon after 30 years of brutal occupation, and yet this idiot, think that the US has little influence in the Middle East.

4 posted on 03/13/2007 11:19:44 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If the Chinese Navy is similar has the same quality as their manufactured goods, then I do not fear them at all even in a hundred year from now.


5 posted on 03/13/2007 11:21:36 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Especially referring to China (PRC) and India as "the two Asian superpowers,"

Two superpowers with over 90% of their populations living in such a horrible poverty that we cannot even imagine here in the US. Was there a similar superpower before who has similar massive poverty issue? Correct, we called it the Soviet Union.

6 posted on 03/13/2007 11:24:42 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Mid-East (and North Africa) already feel the influence of India. For example Indian media (films, music, etc) has totally inundated those areas in the past 10-15 years. Indian culture is much more readily adaptable to ME culture. The effects of Bollywood are seen everywhere.


7 posted on 03/13/2007 12:12:13 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

India should be a staunch US ally, can't really understand why it isn't. We had two major office buildings blown up by Islamist terrorists, they had a bombing/mass murder in their equivalent of the Capitol Dome by Islamist terrorists. They also experience Islamist terror in general just about on the same level as Israel.

They are a democracy and they face the same terror threat we do, if not more so with Pakistan on its border and the Arab lands just a couple of doors down, and Indonesia and the Southern Philippines just off to the Southeast. They are also much more within range of potential delivery systems for Iran's nukes.

And, if they do start attempting to make inroads in the Middle East, they'll become another target of the same anti-infidel demagoguery we are and terrorism within India will very likely increase, at least after the ME countries sober up from their Anybody-But-America honeymoon phase and realize India is an even bigger infidel-based democracy than the US.

So I don't get why there is any daylight between the US and India at all. We should be Siamese twins.


8 posted on 03/13/2007 12:29:39 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (The fetal position has yet to scare a bully.)
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To: Zhangliqun

I think India is an ally.


9 posted on 03/13/2007 12:41:15 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Bush Administration's serial blunders in the Middle East have not only seriously undermined American influence over the region, they have opened the way for new, emerging superpowers to vie for its energy resources.

They can vie all they want. I don't think the guy gets it. We aren't there to "lock up" mideast energy resources. To the degree that energy considerations enter into it, we are there to make sure the oil flows, period. Most of the oil is inevitably going to go to Europe or Asia, as a matter of geography, and thats fine. Oil is not completely fungible, but its nearly enough so as to be the same thing. Selling to anyone is the same as selling to us.

I think in the Chavez School of Economics, they teach that if you sell to China instead of the US, it somehow hurts the US. It doesn't work that way.

10 posted on 03/13/2007 4:34:49 PM PDT by marron
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So I don't get why there is any daylight between the US and India at all. We should be Siamese twins.

India has its own ambitions in the region. During Indira Gandhi's reign, Indian forces came close to launching an attack on Diego Garcia, in order to annex it. India's approach to foreign (and economic) policy is more zero-sum than Uncle Sam's. They tend to flatter developing countries and give Western countries the finger. It's part of the Indian conceit that Western imperialism was the worst thing to happen to India. Being part of the West, the US is, of course, on the firing line.

11 posted on 03/13/2007 5:14:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: marron
I think in the Chavez School of Economics, they teach that if you sell to China instead of the US, it somehow hurts the US. It doesn't work that way.

Well, the Marxist school of economics teaches that purchases of commodities at anything other than sky-high prices or prices that are higher than today's = theft.

12 posted on 03/13/2007 5:23:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

"They tend to flatter developing countries and give Western countries the finger. It's part of the Indian conceit that Western imperialism was the worst thing to happen to India. Being part of the West, the US is, of course, on the firing line."

In that case China and India should have been allies no? Cuz China very much thinks the same way.


13 posted on 03/13/2007 5:32:34 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: sukhoi-30mki
What the author seems to be ignoring is that the US and Europe are actively working on technologies designed to wean ourselves off of Islamic petroleum.

Personally, I hope the Arabs drown in the stuff, and end up once again riding around the desert cutting each other's throats.

14 posted on 03/13/2007 6:05:08 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number, I am a free man!")
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To: Gengis Khan
In that case China and India should have been allies no? Cuz China very much thinks the same way.

Actually, no. A common world-view is not enough to sustain an alliance. There has got to be an appetite for shared sacrifice, typically reinforced by a common culture or ethnic kinship. This was what propelled the US into a war with Germany after Pearl Harbor that took up 80% of its war resources, despite the fact that it was Japan that attacked the US. With neither a common culture nor a common ethnic origin to bind the two nations together, India wants no part of China's problems, and China wants no part of India's problems.

We might call both China and India part of "Asia", but Asia is merely an ancient Greek concept defined to mean neither Africa nor Europe. "Asia" is not a coherent region in the way Europe is. The seeds of the modern European states and cultures lie in ancient Greece. Asia is more like four or five different civilizations (Sinic, Indic, Turkic, Iranic, Semitic) all conflated into one geographical entity. Europe, which is more or less a single civilization, has problems finding common cause. It's therefore no surprise that the Chinese and the Indians would have real difficulty initiating and maintaining an alliance, whatever their world-views on certain topics. It is also the reason an American alliance with India would mainly consist of India being there for us when they need us.

15 posted on 03/13/2007 6:15:58 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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I think in the context of "Asian" it is appropriate to refer to them as superpowers. Especially in light of India's maritime capabilities. I knew their air force (having outclassed the US in joint exercises late last year) was a force to be reckoned with. It is comforting to me that they are sourcing weaponry and supplies from Russia. It is an interesting demarcation between India and China- who have their own border issues with each other. It is a much better scenario than to have a China-Russia vs India-US alliance. Keeps it rather neat and tidy over there.
16 posted on 03/13/2007 6:54:09 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: Zhang Fei; sukhoi-30mki
During Indira Gandhi's reign, Indian forces came close to launching an attack on Diego Garcia, in order to annex it.

Links please.

17 posted on 03/13/2007 7:03:28 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Zhang Fei

"It is also the reason an American alliance with India would mainly consist of India being there for us when they need us."

Why so? And why not America being there for India when US needs India?


18 posted on 03/13/2007 7:09:22 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: CarrotAndStick; Zhang Fei

From the syallabus on the Masters Course in International Relations at the Tom Clancy University of Codswallop.


19 posted on 03/13/2007 7:15:28 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Lol!


20 posted on 03/13/2007 8:11:20 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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