Posted on 03/13/2007 10:11:39 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
What's your dad's stance on gay adoption?
In California, where I moved from recently, I knew two families who were headed by mothers with partners. I liked the kids and the parents were great parents. I am interested in Duncan Hunter's stance primarily on these families. Just so you know, I think it's good for kids to be with parents who love and care for them vs. being passed through the system. Secondly, I'd love to know what Duncan Hunter's stance is on the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), as far as fully funding it is concerned. Thirdly, there is an underpass in San Diego off Interstate Five that has lovely graffiti on it such as "Gringo, Go Home" etc. That is in the San Diego, your Dad's district. That's a federal highway as I understand. Why are we allowing it to be vandalized like that. Do you know where I'm talking about?
Thank you,
Merry10
I am obviously not a social conservative. As I continue to post to Free Republic, it's become obvious to me that I am really more socially liberal. Gay marriage - who cares? Without security, what does it matter.
As far as being a pro life president is concerned - George Bush was pro life, and as far as I know, Roe v. Wade is STILL the law of the land. Who's going to overturn that?
I'm giong to vote for the person who will keep America safe. I'm not going to vote for somebody who is pro life if I don't think that is the best person for the country.
Whatever your false dilemna tact is - I'm not following it. I'll just try to be clear in MY OPINION that it doesnt' matter if we have a social conservative leading our country right now if he or she doesn't lead on the WOT. And anyway, I've realized I'm not a social conservative.
I see you're actually from California. So I'm going to surmise that as a social conservative, Tom McClintock was your man in the election of 2003. And that you sat the last election out.
This is Dad's announcement speech from South Carolina. It tells the story much better than I ever could. :)
http://www.gohunter08.com/media.asp?z=5
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801646/posts
What is your father's opinion about a man like Iran's president coming to our country, despite the hostilities he's thrown our way?
By the way, I did look at the official website to try to find out the answers to my questions on gay marriage/adoption and IDEA, and could not find anything specific to my questions.
With the big Republican field our take is that the RNC is properly neutral in this primary race."
Thank you sir for your response, report, and perspective with respect to my questions. I realize you've got your hands full.
The "big Republican field" you allude to is actually quite small considering your father is a TRUE conservative, and the rest are...well...NOT. IOW, there is quite a harvest to be reaped.
I do believe Dad needs some key conservative Senators and former peers and well-known friends to come out and endorse him ASAP. Pop's positions are well known enough for them to know who and what he represents, and the impact it/they will make on his behalf.
There is no doubt that your father will more than hold his own during a debate and getting right down to the brass tacks.
America NEEDS desperately to "know" him. Best to you and yours my friend and Godspeed to President Duncan Hunter!
Please continue to stay in touch with us.
OneWayOut
OR from what I've observed, the crazy aunt in the attic ;-)
Some days it DOES pay to get up early. Just found out about this. Makes my day!
Welcome, Sam!
There is no graffiti with "Gringo Go Home" on the underpass of Barrio Logan/Chicano Park. The mural with "Varrio Si, Yonkes, No" basically means: The Neighborhood, Yes, Junkyards, No". At one time, this area of Barrio Logan was overrun with junkyards, and no restrictions or zoning placed upon them.
As you are aware it has been awhile since I have been there. Last time I was there, I specifically remember something about Yankees on the underside of an overpass.
That is a lovely picture!
I knew it was something negative about Yankees!
Again, it has nothing to do with Yankees.
Nor Gringos.
So, basically, all you're doing is spouting off your admittedly socially liberal beliefs onto this socially conservative forum. I'm not really sure what you expect -- that we would all just fawn over your rapier wit and give up our thinly held socon beliefs because you're so convincing? I detect little attempt at persuasion coming through your posts. What I DO detect is some disdain for social conservatism, which begs the question of why even bothering to go onto a socon forum and do what you're doing? Why waste your time? It reminds me of the people who come to America from other countries and then proceed to badmouth America and say how great their former country was. If it was so freakin' great, what are they doing here? I know, the real truth is that it isn't such a great friggin country, and to extend the analogy, the reason why you're here at FR is because there is nowhere else on the web where they would tolerate what you have to say and still show some kindness. That says a LOT about Free Republic, conservatism, and you.
I will proceed through your last 2 posts and comment as I see fit. Since you didn't answer the false dilemma, you should be renouncing your right to ask false dilemma questions on this forum, but I doubt you will be doing that.
I've seen all that before.
***And yet.... it remains unanswered. It shows where you and others are coming from. It might help you to honestly answer such questions because you've come to the realization that you are not a social conservative, so you might be able to learn something from the process.
Question for you
***So you don't answer MY question and proceed to ask me a question. Your impoliteness speaks volumes.
- it's understood that FR is a site founded by and run by Jim Robinson. I support a candidate different than you. Because I support a candidate different than you, does that mean my views are not welcome?
***Of course not. It does mean that you are being impolite. If you were running a social lib forum and some socons came onto the forum and started posting false dilemma questions aimed at separating solibs from their solib beliefs, it would be considered very impolite. The blowback would be something to be expected. And yet this surprises you? Why is it you have such high expectations of socons in tolerating such nonsense when you obviously can't hold that expectation for other places on the web? You are HERE, so I would suggest you start treating socons more politely.
Do you want to squelch my thoughts...
***No, of course not.
because then you're tinkering with my right to free speech.
***Straw argument. You have an interesting tendency to exaggerate rather than stick to the line of truth.
Does my support of Rudy mean I am not a conservative?
***Well, I believe it does. You admit that you are not socially conservative, and that's what matters to me. It means you're not socially conservative. If someone isn't following principles on the big stuff, I don't have high confidence they would follow principles on the small stuff either.
More importantly, does Duncan Hunter think that supporters of Rudy are not conservative
***I would consider that a false dilemma question that does not deserve an answer from the Duncan Hunter team. It is also extremely impolite.
(because to win the presidency, we're going to need more than just conservatives to vote for a Republican candidate). ?
***No republican has ever won the presidency with a split socon base. EVER. What's Rudy's plan for taking on that thin sliver of moderates (who are so fickle that they drop candidates for how they look) when he has turned his back on the socons who represent tens of millions of votes? I don't perceive there are enough votes for Rudy to go after, make up the difference, and attract even more all the while fighting off Hillary and the MSM and the dirt that is so obviously prevalent. Hillary could even run to the right of rudy on some issues. If high poll numbers are the thing that makes him the best candidate, then he will find himself crying in his beer with Mr. Dean who also had high poll numbers early in the race last time. Rudy has no depth and his candidacy is bad for the republican party.
\So does that mean that my views are not welcome?
***Where have I EVER said that your views are not welcome? I appreciate the social liberal side but I don't agree with it, and keeping in mind that this is a socon forum, maybe the solibs ought to do that as well. Your question is an exaggeration of my position as well as others who respond to rudophile posts. Try to stick to the real issues and the truth.
Does that mean I am "not a conservative?" Primary for me is the war on terror and security of this nation.
***By your own admission you are not a social conservative. If the WOT is primary for you, then all the other issues should support that. Taking illegal immigration, for example, some of the 9/11 terrorists were here illegally and there is a continued problem with security caused by illegal aliens. If WOT was #1, then you'd be strong on protecting the border and you'd choose the strongest candidate who takes the same approach: Duncan Hunter. But the fact that you don't do that just shows that you like Rudy and you're trying to come up with something that makes him look good, when even the #1 thing on your list is a direct indicator that you've chosen the wrong candidate.
Since this is a public forum, my questions to Duncan Hunter's Ambassador, let's just call him SAM, are fair questions and he answered them.
***I happen to disagree, I think the questions are unfair and you're darned lucky that he even bothered. I think you have been extremely impolite.
He provided me the answer I wanted to hear. So sorry that you can't let him answer for himself.
***What gives you that idea? Did I interrupt your conversation? Did I do anything to stop it? Heck NO, I was the one who brought Sam here! But you can't see past this disdain you have of social conservatives. Why don't you print out these posts and show them to a friend you trust, asking for truthful feedback? If your friend is honest, he will tell you that you have been incredibly impolite.
I wonder why. Are you worried about something?
***You wonder why about something that does not exist in the first place. It's called a straw argument. Am I worried? Yeah, I'm worried that Sam might choose to forego involvement in this forum because of impolite people like you.
I am obviously not a social conservative.
***See, that wasn't so hard, was it?
As I continue to post to Free Republic, it's become obvious to me that I am really more socially liberal.
***Keep that in mind as you post on this Socially Conservative forum. Using the golden rule, how would you expect someone to act whom you didn't agree with and was posting on your socially liberal forum?
Gay marriage - who cares? Without security, what does it matter.
***I am glad to see that security is so high on your list. It would mean that you have chosen the wrong candidate because Rudy is weaker on security than Duncan Hunter, as well as lots of others. But the reality is that you like rudy due to his social liberalism and the fact that rudy is only moderately strong on WOT is good enough for you.
As far as being a pro life president is concerned - George Bush was pro life, and as far as I know, Roe v. Wade is STILL the law of the land. Who's going to overturn that?
***We're very close. We only need a couple more supreme court appointees. Roe V Wade was the result of liberal activist judges going on the ascendancy, and now we hope to counteract that. I wouldn't trust rudy to appoint judges who are strict constitutionalist/originalists because of his own words:
Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM
Transcript of video below.
Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?
Culture of life:
ABC clip:
George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"
Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."
Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:
Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."
Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."
I'm giong to vote for the person who will keep America safe.
***You're going to vote for the person who agrees with your socially liberal views and who is good enough on keeping america safe. Try to be honest about where you're coming from. If what you're saying is true, you should seriously be considering Duncan Hunter and running away from rudy.
I'm not going to vote for somebody who is pro life if I don't think that is the best person for the country.
***That kinda says a lot right there. It reinforces my point that you're going to vote for the person who agrees with your socially liberal views and who is good enough on keeping america safe.
Whatever your false dilemna tact is - I'm not following it.
***Then I would expect that you wouldn't ask anyone else a false dilemma as a rudy supporter, especially after you have seen how impolite it is.
I'll just try to be clear in MY OPINION that it doesnt' matter if we have a social conservative leading our country right now if he or she doesn't lead on the WOT.
***Your candidate does not lead on the WOT. The reason why you like rudy is because he's a solib. He's a solib who happens to be right on one plank of the WOT, but whose solib leanings pull him off the boat too fast on the supporting issues for WOT. That probably won't matter to you.
And anyway, I've realized I'm not a social conservative.
***Glad you figured that out.
I see you're actually from California. So I'm going to surmise that as a social conservative, Tom McClintock was your man in the election of 2003.
***I was behind Tom in the recall election.
And that you sat the last election out.
***That would be a very impolite, ridiculous, and WRONG thing to surmise. Since you're wrong on this, what else are you wrong about? Did you learn from the last election in Caleefornia where aRINOld is taking the republican party so far to the left that it is disintegrating before our eyes? Is that your hope for America?
Please put me on your Hunter ping list.
Gosh, you sure must have spent a long time developing an answer to every single thing I wrote. I'll just say this; right now I'm supporting Rudy. If someone else comes along that I like better, then I'll support him or her.
I am sorry you feel as though my questions to Duncan Hunter's Ambassador are impolite. I don't think they are. I am truly curious as to what his responses would be. In my post to him, I asked about gay adoption and I asked about IDEA. As to this: " the reason why you're here at FR is because there is nowhere else on the web where they would tolerate what you have to say and still show some kindness. " if you're interested in the places I go on the web which "tolerate what I have to say" I'm happy to supply them to you. However, these are not conservative/liberal forums.
I also know there are others on FR who have similar views to me. But I will agree with you on this: I should not be spending time on the Duncan Hunter threads.
I do not disdain social conservatives; I disdain people bullying others on forums or anywhere else
becasue they happen to not agree with the other person.
As to your very very last comment, Arnold was the Republican nominee for governor in 2006. If some other person was running, I didn't get who that was - but if I did - what difference does it make? I'm no longer eligible to vote in California. And I agree that Arnold is taking that state extremely to the left. Again, I don't get why you call things "impolite" but I truly am not aware who else was running. It is of course impolite to ask people who they voted for.
Your psycho- analysis is quite wrong, but please feel free to believe whatever you want about me - it doesn't really matter, does it? We don't know each other and you'll believe what you want. I would not use the term evolved, from me being more conservative to more socially liberal, because I think that's wrong. I think it's snotty. But I would say my views have changed. And that's fine.
We're not going to agree on this, so I'll just say best wishes to you.
Mary
I am sorry you feel as though my questions to Duncan Hunter's Ambassador are impolite.
***I do feel that way. Apology accepted.
But I will agree with you on this: I should not be spending time on the Duncan Hunter threads.
***Sounds like we agree on that, for now. If DH catches on in popularity, there will be reason for others to ask tough and maybe even impolite questions. Until then, it makes me wonder why people do such things, especially social liberals on a social conservative forum.
I do not disdain social conservatives; I disdain people bullying others on forums or anywhere else
becasue they happen to not agree with the other person.
***That's fine with me. I disdain bullying as well. I can see why people perceive false dilemma questioning to be a form of bullying and the only reason why I ask my false dilemma is because I see the converse false dilemma coming from rudybots so often; basically fighting fire with fire. If it's bullying coming from me, then it's bullying coming from rudybots -- what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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