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Second Amendment subject to REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS - Giuliani
Fox News ^ | March 12, 2007 | Brit Hume video

Posted on 03/12/2007 10:10:00 PM PDT by anonsquared

Everyone needs to see the video clip of Giuliani that Brit Hume aired today.

Go to http://www.foxnews.com/specialreport/ and scroll down to Race for 08 and click on the picture of Rudy to pull up the video player. Then you'll have to click on the video called Rallying for Rudy. It starts with Vitter endorsing him but keep watching for Rudy.

Asked if he would veto any bill impinging the 2nd amendment - he refused to say without first seeing the legislation.

Then the money quote...

"THERE'S A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. THAT IS A PERSONAL RIGHT. THERE CAN BE REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; giuliani; gungrabber; hangontoyourammo; molonlabe; rino; rudy; rudy2008
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To: hsalaw
Oops. Misstep by Rudy.

Definitely. He let a hint of his true liberal position be known

Although maybe he means "reasonable restrictions" like you can't have a cannon on your rooftop. Or ...

The phrase "reasonable restrictions" is right out of the Sara Brady playbook. It means whatever the anti-gunners want it to mean. According to them England has "reasonable restrictions."

After all, there are "reasonable restrictions" on the First Amendment: pornography

First pornography happens to be legal.

can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater,

No, you can't; however, you can't give everyone a preemptive laryngectomy to prevent their ability to yell if they want. The 2nd amendment is about the right to "keep and bear" not fire at will. You can't use your neighbor's mailbox as a target, but you shouldn't be prevented from buying whatever arm you want and can afford. Restricting peoples ability to buy arms is the same as giving everyone a laryngectomy to prevent abuse of the first amendment. Screw that liberal POS Julie Annie

101 posted on 03/13/2007 3:42:34 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: anonsquared
I'm interested in, but not sure I agree with, your view of "shall not be infringed".

For example, in your view, do laws against incitement to riot infringe Amendment I?

Similarly, do laws disarming felons infringe II?

102 posted on 03/13/2007 3:45:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (But that's why they play the games)
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To: AZRepublican
I've yet to see any convincing evidence that the 2nd is a personal right conferred to individuals.

All other uses of the term "the right of the people" in the Constitution and BOR have a personal, individual meaning.

103 posted on 03/13/2007 3:47:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (But that's why they play the games)
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To: AZRepublican
I've yet to see any convincing evidence that the 2nd is a personal right conferred to individuals

Then what the heck are you doing on this forum? Seriously, are you trolling? BUT, just in case you're misguided and not a troll here: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1173434606378 Not to mention that every other one of the bill of rights has been considered an individual right, and somehow this one isn't?

104 posted on 03/13/2007 3:48:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: staytrue
When the 2nd amendment was written, I doubt the founding fathers had WMD (which are arms), tanks, machine guns, hand grenades, etc. in mind.

I see this thread has brought out the anti-gun trolls in force. They had every weapon including cannon and individual warships in mind. Ever heard of letters of marque and reprisal? I didn't think so. Oh and because you obviously didn't know, they had grenades in the 18th century.

105 posted on 03/13/2007 3:52:26 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
OK, I want an electric Gatling gun and a belt fed grenade launcher.

Me too, but I want the Gatling gun in 30mm

106 posted on 03/13/2007 3:53:01 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: AZRepublican
The US Constitution never dealt with rights of the people, else why are there State Constitutions

Amazing, simply amazing.

107 posted on 03/13/2007 3:59:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: anonsquared

btt


108 posted on 03/13/2007 3:59:45 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: anonsquared; All


"personal right" does NOT mean individual right. Rudy Guliani is lawyering his response to intentionally avoid saying INDIVIDUAL right.

INDIVIDUAL rights are subject to STRICT SCRUTINY and very difficult to abrogate via regulation.

HOWEVER if it is not an individual right protected by the constitution then a far lower test is applied in judicial review.

This was no misstep, he was protecting the legal ability of the courts to misapply the law via a "reasonable standard" test.

Unfortunatly the MSM and the Bob Dole Style GOP leadership wants to annoint Rudy over any kind of common sense.


109 posted on 03/13/2007 4:02:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: AZRepublican
I've yet to see any convincing evidence that the 2nd is a personal right conferred to individuals.

You are a leftist...

110 posted on 03/13/2007 4:02:10 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: neverhillorat
I think that he`s right by the way, do we want convicted felons to have firearms?

And you somehow think that changing the right to keep and bear arms into a privilege (which is what the "Brady" bill did) is going to prevent people of criminal intent from breaking a law that prohibits their having guns. ha ha.

111 posted on 03/13/2007 4:03:02 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Cincinna
Where do Hillary, Obama, and Edwards stand on the RTKBA?

In the same place Giuliani does...

112 posted on 03/13/2007 4:08:55 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: AZRepublican

try reading the other first nine amendments.

1,2-9 are all INDIVIDUAL rights. It defies logic to postulate otherwise.

In fact in law school professors always botch their logic up when they try and argue otherwise.

You might as well argue the first amendment is a personal right of the collective.

The fact is Rudy Guliani is a left winger in gun control.

Reasonable restrictions is code to keep fire arms away from the "wrong hands", the wrong hands are yours. Remember after 9/11 the democrats lined up saying gun control had to be MORE strict because lax gun laws made 9/11 happen easier.

RINOs are bad for america.


113 posted on 03/13/2007 4:09:27 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: anonsquared
We'd be better off with a donkey president

I can't agree with that, but Rudy certainly does not deserve any true American's vote. This guy would get a lot of Americans killed.

114 posted on 03/13/2007 4:12:29 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Khepera
Dang where did all these liberals come from? Did DU just runneth over?

Maybe... this Julie-Annie crowd is the new Rosie O'Donnell wing of the Republican party... they hate guns, love perverts and illegals, like to kill babies and hate religious folks...

115 posted on 03/13/2007 4:12:41 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: from occupied ga



This Julie-Annie crowd is the new Rosie O'Donnell wing of the Republican party... they hate guns, love perverts and illegals, like to kill babies and hate religious folks...


116 posted on 03/13/2007 4:14:06 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Hatband
Precisely. The Rooty tooters are touting Rooty BECAUSE he is opposed to the 2nd amendment

And gay rights. And free reign for illegal immigrants. And the slaughter of babies.

Pretty sick platform for so-called conservatives!

117 posted on 03/13/2007 4:14:42 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
This Julie-Annie crowd is the new Rosie O'Donnell wing of the Republican party

I kind of thought of them as the Hillary Clinton wing of the Republican party. After all Julie Annie did say that his position on most things was very similar to Hillary's. As far as I'm concerned Clinton, Guiliani, McCain, they only difference the whether they have an D or an R behnd their name.

118 posted on 03/13/2007 4:17:06 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

you have a group of republicans in leadership who think because they don't hunt, gun rights are irrelevant.

They don't understand the USA or the constitution, they are only focused of political party manuvering.


119 posted on 03/13/2007 4:18:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: from occupied ga
As far as I'm concerned Clinton, Guiliani, McCain, they only difference the whether they have an D or an R behnd their name.

Yep. A fancy Madison Avenue designer label...

120 posted on 03/13/2007 4:21:02 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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